International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[ramboas93]

Alright will do cause i do have another rooster and 3 more hens so that would be helpful knowing who i shared pair who with(mine all appear to be either to dark or to light. It's gloomy and raining alot here in oregon coast right now so ill wait for a better day to take pictures when their out and about.

 

[Red Banks]

Alright will do cause i do have another rooster and 3 more hens so that would be helpful knowing who i shared pair who with(mine all appear to be either to dark or to light. It's gloomy and raining alot here in oregon coast right now so ill wait for a better day to take pictures when their out and about.

That would be great. There is a lot of good information on this thread. Post the pictures described in post 1407. Then we can "describe" your BCM against the SOP. I have learned so much with that exercise. Then you can match up your birds to compliment each other.

Chooks man makes us say "describe". He likes that better than critique.

 

[Red Banks]

Alright will do cause i do have another rooster and 3 more hens so that would be helpful knowing who i shared pair who with(mine all appear to be either to dark or to light. It's gloomy and raining alot here in oregon coast right now so ill wait for a better day to take pictures when their out and about.

Welcome to BYC and the thread. We have a great group. Ask questions, comment on posts. We welcome all feedback.

 

[dvoice]

Alright will do cause i do have another rooster and 3 more hens so that would be helpful knowing who i shared pair who with(mine all appear to be either to dark or to light.  It's gloomy and raining alot here in oregon coast right now so ill wait for a better day to take pictures when their out and about.

Welcome west coaster! I live on Vancouver Island. Where abouts Oregon coast? I get down that way fairly often. Truck driver delivering seafood( mostly Astoria) there

 

[Red Banks]

@kfelton0002

The cockerel at the bottom of this pic was my favorite. You can see his wry tail, I read over and over on BYC don't breed a wry tail. He was the first one I culled. I lost 4 in five minutes to a possum.

Some pictures of mine around the same age as yours or close.
















Gabby is the pullet in front. I would not have marked her for greatness.

 

[Magnolia Hill]

@kfelton0002 The cockerel at the bottom of this pic was my favorite. You can see his wry tail, I read over and over on BYC don't breed a wry tail. He was the first one I culled. I lost 4 in five minutes to a possum. Some pictures of mine around the same age as yours or close. Gabby is the pullet in front. I would not have marked her for greatness.

you got a beautiful flock, I would be honored to have some of those. please keep me in mind when the eggs start piling up.

 

[KF0002]

@kfelton0002 The cockerel at the bottom of this pic was my favorite. You can see his wry tail, I read over and over on BYC don't breed a wry tail. He was the first one I culled. I lost 4 in five minutes to a possum. Some pictures of mine around the same age as yours or close. Gabby is the pullet in front. I would not have marked her for greatness.

There are definite similarities. You can tell our chickens are from the same parent stock. My pullet looks very similar to Gabby when she was young! Yay! However your cockerels looked a sight better than my 3 at that age. Hoping I can work with them with good results. Havent heard anything from Amanda about my next batch of eggs. I am anxious to get them in the incubator.

 

[Chooks man]

BCM bred to black would yield very overmelanized BCM offspring and would take a while to breed the black back out. If you use a nicely coppered BCM cock bred to black hens you would have to keep breeding the female offspring (daughters, granddaughters, and so on) back to the original sire BCM cock to breed out the black. You would have to keep doing that until they were no longer overmelanized.

if you breed a true Black marans E/E S/S MI/MI ( I don t think does exist ) to a black copper marans you will never get a black copper again ,because the E genetic family is dominant to the ER .

to know if the black chooks are true black or a black copper they should be crossed to a Leghorn ( Dominant white ) if the progeny is pure white than the Black chooks where a true black . but if the progeny is white copper ( white with some gold on the hackle and saddle ) than the black chooks where bad black copper .

that how I find out mt black are not black and my splash are not splash but dominant white .

the French never fancy to breed the pure black because they knew it is not easy to keep the black copper strain pure if the black one are around .

I only saw one true black marans rooster in Italy 3 years ago , very rare and precious .a lot planning around him to take him to France ( like France is full of a good breeders !!!!!!!!!!!!1) they couldn t bred it them selves . what a joke .

I m sure your pullet is a black copper 100% mated to well colored rooster will yield a high proportion of well colored progeny .

The Black we are trying to avoid is the one with a black beak ( rooster) , black comb ( both ) .black wattle( both) , black shanks ( rooster ) , black eyes ( rooster ) .

I found a black hen if they have orange eyes and well red comb and wattles mated a correct rooster they give cockerel with a rich red copper because of the extra mahogany and melanin .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

mind my ignorance, but overmelanized? I've heard this term alot but what does it mean.

it is fashionable to use it if you rise and breed a BCM .

just people repeating some technical term without understanding it .

BCM line don t mater how much is well bred will always throw some black pullets and cockerel time to time because of the balance needed between the Copper . the black ,the Mahogany , the melanin . so many thing to balance plus the standard is not genetically correct .

chooks standard are not genetically correct ,they are just made by peoples with a certain test that all and they had a power ,so they go a way with a thing ,

any way we are going to breed a good black copper marans with what we have that all .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Once the offspring start coming with adequate copper you can select the best of the offspring to breed together and those will be your brood stock. Choose two sets of the best cockerels and pullets and mate them separately so you have 2 groups so you can mate their offspring together. At that point you may wish to bring in an unrelated BCM cock to freshen your line and correct any issues. Chooksman can correct me if Im off on anything. This is how we have bred our games in the past when we want to breed back to a pure bloodline using only a pure cock. Its not quick and takes several years to achieve.

Once the offspring start coming with adequate copper you can select the best of the offspring to breed together and those will be your brood stock. Choose two sets of the best cockerels and pullets and mate them separately so you have 2 groups so you can mate their offspring together. At that point you may wish to bring in an unrelated BCM cock to freshen your line and correct any issues. Chooksman can correct me if Im off on anything. This is how we have bred our games in the past when we want to breed back to a pure bloodline using only a pure cock. Its not quick and takes several years to achieve.

I m a 100% with you . great explanation .

chooks man