International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

Thank you Keith for the feedback.

Glad to hear that you think his tail is correct. It's higher than what my other cockerels was, maybe his was a bit low. Hopefully it will stay short and full but he's still got more growing to do.

His coloring l am pleased with the color of the copper on his body, he just needs more of it, and like I said, there's still time.

His ear tufts are hard to decide on color wise. My other cockerel had black ear tufts. Upon close inspection it appears he has some copper tuft feathers lining the outer edge of his tufts with the middle a dark gray. I'm pleased with that as I understand copper tufts means he's got a lot of copper color genetics. I'm glad he's not over colored as my hen has great copper herself and I would hate the pairing to make a bunch of over colored birds. He's also got 2 copper feathers on his breast near his hackle, I think that's a good sign as well?

I will definitely check Lady Olivia when I get home. I took a brief look at their vents a couple of days ago looking for signs of pests and found none, but they could use a more thorough looking over. I suspect it's not lice eggs on her head, though if it is, that's a problem that could be solved. If it does happen to be white tipped feathers, what does that mean? Would she be DQd at show? Is it inheritable? I plan on breeding her as 1) she's the only one I got 2)everything else about her is spectacular. If you look in the pic with her pecking the ground, it appears her carriage feathers are brown! I noticed that yesterday with the naked eye as well. Is that a concern?

Curious, were you able to view the video yesterday? Looking at my post it appears the video link is broken, is it viewable on your end?

Thanks again!

I agree that he has some more growing to do so his coloring should continue to fill in some. Also remember that the chooks do not express their true color until after the second molt at about 18-22 months. The Marans Rooster's best asset is his coloring (feathers & legs) even over type, combs and tail sets (these traits are inherited from the hen). It would be great to have all these traits in one Rooster but that does not always happen so we have to match strengths with faults in our breeding pairs to produce progeny that will be correct. What we want are rich copper hackles & saddle feathers, well defined red shoulder, copper ear tufts and a small amount of copper coloring on his breast. The Marans Rooster that is well colored produces well colored chicks - he will add the copper hackles to his female progeny. A Marans Rooster with dark colored ear tufts and solid black breast will generally produce all black females. These black females are useful if they have overall good type, eye color, correct tail set and combs as they can be breed to a Rooster with an over copper colored breast. Some copper color on the ear tufts is better than none - at least he got some of the copper genetics.

I wasn't sure about the white-tipped feathers on Lady Olivia (hard for my old eyes to see it in pics) so I just offered up an alternative based on my experience. If she has white tip feathers then she is a carrier of recessive white or parasitic white gene. I do know that the white can be hard to bred out of a line but it is possible and will take several generations. Chooks Man is our resident expert on the white gene so he can better explain it - I am not 100% sure but I think the parisitic white is harder to bred out than the recessive white. The white and brown feathers are not desirable in the BCM - definitely faults and possibly DQs.

I was able to view the video last night. Hopefully Chooks Man will respond to your post.

Take Care,
Keith
 
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@bullets your cockerel look good
Stunning copper and we'll marked. Love the copper on his upper part of his chest
Type great long and short on his feet
Great tail.
The problem I see are his comb. The back of it is touching the head. He ll lose point if. Showing but not disqualify
The second problem is his feet. They don t look straight when seen from the front in the video

Take few pick of him from the back and front when he is standing

Chooks man
 
@bullets your cockerel look good
Stunning copper and we'll marked. Love the copper on his upper part of his chest
Type great long and short on his feet
Great tail.
The problem I see are his comb. The back of it is touching the head. He ll lose point if. Showing but not disqualify
The second problem is his feet. They don t look straight when seen from the front in the video

Take few pick of him from the back and front when he is standing

Chooks man

Thanks again @Chooks man for the good feedback.

As for his feet, I've been wondering about that. We've named him Dopey because he's walks around all dopey like. You've got a keen eye and picked up on it right away. I tried taking the pictures that you requested but instead opted again for video. I can never time the pictures right. I hope this is good enough, if not I will certainly be out there taking the best pictures I can.

The first video shows so good angles at ground level of his legs from front, side, and back.

This second video shows his locomotion.


I'm wondering, is he knockneed? I've not seen anything like it before, I'm worried it may be genetic, hopefully not.
Let me know what you think!
 
Thanks again @Chooks man for the good feedback.

As for his feet, I've been wondering about that. We've named him Dopey because he's walks around all dopey like. You've got a keen eye and picked up on it right away. I tried taking the pictures that you requested but instead opted again for video. I can never time the pictures right. I hope this is good enough, if not I will certainly be out there taking the best pictures I can.

The first video shows so good angles at ground level of his legs from front, side, and back.

This second video shows his locomotion.


I'm wondering, is he knockneed? I've not seen anything like it before, I'm worried it may be genetic, hopefully not.
Let me know what you think!

the 2 videos are showing he has a X formed legs . this defect is genetic and can be fixed with a good pairing .
this osrt of X leg are very hard on the chooks in they are roosting high .
they don t age nicely especially if they are heavy .
I do have few cockerels like him coming out of my Birchen line .

I do the BCM hen seen in video with the cockerel .
she is stunning .

chooks man
 
View attachment 1092694 View attachment 1092695 View attachment 1092696 View attachment 1092697 I'm so sad. My handsome young boy Jean-Luc woke up with some kind of respiratory illness yesterday morning & by 8:00 pm he died!! What acts that fast??!! Crazy. Now I'm stuck with his brother who isn't nearly as good looking. His shanks are sparsely feathered and his feathering isn't nearly as good. They came from the same breeder. I'll try to get more pics when I get back home in a few days

sorry to hear about your Jean-luc.
is the cockerel in the photos is him or his brother ?

great comb

chooks man
 
Chook's man here's another person I think got hosed with their black Copper Marans purchase. there's a threadunder "General discussions" called , " Thought I was getting Black Copper Marans but? " She's got a picture of a chick there... I'd never saw a black Copper Maran look like that. Do much white. could anybody on this list take a look and help out this lady ?she's got more pictures to post. one of them apparently is of a chick that's all grey with no feathers on its feet. she bought these from a lady who is breeding black copper Marans but these chicks don't look right.
Thanks,
Karen
 
Chook's man here's another person I think got hosed with their black Copper Marans purchase. there's a threadunder "General discussions" called , " Thought I was getting Black Copper Marans but? " She's got a picture of a chick there... I'd never saw a black Copper Maran look like that. Do much white. could anybody on this list take a look and help out this lady ?she's got more pictures to post. one of them apparently is of a chick that's all grey with no feathers on its feet. she bought these from a lady who is breeding black copper Marans but these chicks don't look right.
Thanks,
Karen

Hi Karen .

I ll have a look and see if I can help .

chooks man
 
T
sorry to hear about your Jean-luc.
is the cockerel in the photos is him or his brother ?

great comb

chooks man
They are from the same hatch, "
sorry to hear about your Jean-luc.
is the cockerel in the photos is him or his brother ?

great comb

chooks man
I think they are brothers, but not 100% sure on that, but probably. Now that brother is gone he won't stop crowing. Literally. All. The. Time. Anything I can do to get him to quiet down?? He's 17 weeks 4 days. I'm integrating them with my one year old hens. The head hen & him have scuffled a few times but he's still crowing A LOT. Jean-Luc didn't crow incessantly :/
 

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