IS there a semi-safe way to use RAT poison around DOGS????

[chickengeorgeto]

x2. Nothing like fried squirrel in the skillet!

Squirrel, the other red meat!

 

[Six Goldies]

u need to adopt a bunch of shelter cats for ur barns



my friend stopped getting new cats as he lost old ones now his barn is full of rats its so darn disgusting i guess he enjoys the rats tho because he still has not brought back any cats they even come out during the day now



make sure any new cat u get is female and has orange in its fur they make the best rat killers

u need to adopt a bunch of shelter cats for ur barns



my friend stopped getting new cats as he lost old ones now his barn is full of rats its so darn disgusting i guess he enjoys the rats tho because he still has not brought back any cats they even come out during the day now



make sure any new cat u get is female and has orange in its fur they make the best rat killers

I agree 100% we just got two from alley cats in Seattle. They are nature's best defence. Ours are in their first of 3 weeks confinement to acclimate them. They are free and you just provide them safe shelter and food.. they do the hunting.

 

[470rigby]

I have just lost my 9 year old Brittany to dicoumadin rat bait. I use lockable bait boxes and place them where my dog couldn't access them. I only placed one bait at a time in the bait box (square baits with a hole secured on a steel rod) . My dog had never shown any inclination to eat a dead rats or mice and I am at a loss to explain how she got to ingest a fatal dose (Vitamin K didn't work!). I did notice that the rats were consuming the baits as I had to regularly re-bait the bait box. My only explanation is that the rats were taking the baits out of the box (they are cunning!) and hoarding them somewhere. I have had them taking fruit up onto the engines of my cars where it is warm, to consume them (we leave our car bonnets up at night now!). Maybe my dog found hoarded baits that had accumulated to a lethal dose for my dog? My thoughts on the subject, for what it's worth.

 

[hayley3]

Very sorry to hear about your dog...that is very sad.

How do you know she died of poisoning? Did she run free or was she penned in a yard? I doubt rats would hoard them somewhere else. Is the weather cold where you are? I could see them looking for a warm place to eat but access to fruit normally means it's warm weather.

I had my bait in a box and they scattered them slightly outside the box but no further than that.

 

[chickengeorgeto]

... I was told by an old experienced farmer today that I probably have hundreds of rats!... I have a ton of rat holes going in and out of my coop and see 6 or 7 of them out at a time .. in the daylight.. scavenging around!... I really don't want to use poison... I've been told different tricks to using poison so that the dogs can't get at it.. with pvc pipe and all.. but am worried the rats will come out of their holes and then the dogs would have a chance to get at them .. after they have ingested the poison..???... wondering if any of you have used it and know of a way to safeguard the other animals around it..??

Most modern rat poison is metabolized by the rat before it dies and there is no or very little chance of secondary poisoning with the right kind of rodenticide. Do your due diligence or perhaps call the County USDA agent for advice on the proper pesticide.

There is a world of misinformation put out by people and groups of people that only intend to frighten, confuse, befuddle, and condemn to failure well meaning people like yourself. As a rule these people and groups of people who say that it is cruel and are dead set against any of us owning any animal but especially farm animals or pet chickens. I will leave it up to you to decide who I am talking about.

 

[470rigby]

Very sorry to hear about your dog...that is very sad.

How do you know she died of poisoning? Did she run free or was she penned in a yard? I doubt rats would hoard them somewhere else. Is the weather cold where you are? I could see them looking for a warm place to eat but access to fruit normally means it's warm weather.

I had my bait in a box and they scattered them slightly outside the box but no further than that.

 

[470rigby]

The vet did a post mortem and there was massive internal bleeding. She had the run of a 40 acre property. It is mid-winter here in south-east Australia and the rats we have here are Bush Rats (Rattus fuscipes) that are native to Australia. They live out in the bush during the warmer months and come in to houses during winter for warmth. The fruit that they have been eating are Crab Apples that are still on the trees in early Winter. In Australia, we also have the non-native Black Rat (Rattus Rattus) that came here with European settlers, but they prefer built-up areas. In some parts of Australia the bush rats were wiped out when Europeans settled here, and believe it or not, ecologists are re-introducing them to areas where they are extinct! But, as far as I am concerned, a rat is a rat! They destroyed a car of mine by building a nest under the dashboard. We could get the smell out of the car and had to sell it. I resisted using baits here for many years because of the concern that a rare native marsupial (Yellow Footed Antichinus) that we have around here would take the baits. The Antichinus even looks like a rat, but is not a rodent, though it is omnivorous. Sadly, my rat baiting has killed off the Antichinus's. I guess that I will just have to put up with the Bush Rats. I am picking up a new Brittany pup next week and will NEVER use rat bait here again. It is also possible that my dog might have found a Rabbit Bait (Pindone) that acts in the same way as dicoumadin that another resident might have been using (illegally), so my new pup will be on a very short leash!

 

[metcarl]

Most modern rat poison is metabolized by the rat before it dies and there is no or very little chance of secondary poisoning with the right kind of rodenticide. Do your due diligence or perhaps call the County USDA agent for advice on the proper pesticide.

There is a world of misinformation put out by people and groups of people that only intend to frighten, confuse, befuddle, and condemn to failure well meaning people like yourself. As a rule these people and groups of people who say that it is cruel and are dead set against any of us owning any animal but especially farm animals or pet chickens. I will leave it up to you to decide who I am talking about.

NOT TRUE! I am a vet and rat poison still kills dogs. A dog CAN ingest a rat that has consumed poison and can die from it.

 

[hayley3]

I've read the same thing chickengeorgeto said and it makes sense that the rat poison has already been digested, so how can it kill? Maybe some digestive upset but not kill.
Would there be a difference between mouse poison and rat poison, I wonder?

 

[hayley3]

According to the National Pesticide Information Center:
The rodenticides with high secondary poisoning risks to birds such as hawks and owls include difethialone, brodifacoum, and possibly bromadiolone (see Table 3).23 The rodenticides that pose the greatest secondary poisoning risks for wild mammals, dogs and cats include chlorophacinone, diphacinone, bromadiolone, and brodifacoum. Bromethalin and cholecalciferol may pose secondary risks but these risks have not been measured.2

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/rodenticides.html