Karma -- Thoughts?

[Wolfwoman]

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Yeah... That's why I recommended the Gospel to you. Read it and see what you think.

I've read the entire bible front to back about 20 times or so.. I've read specific verse on numbers of occasion

I kinda figured that

 

[gogoalie]

Anyone wanna come to church with me on Sunday?

 

[Organics North]

I don't believe in Karma as it pertains to the actual definition. But folks have kind of stretched that definition a little and it now seems to have the same definition as "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." And this I do believe in~I've seen it too many times in my life and in the lives of others to think of it as mere coincidence....you do actually reap what you sow, sooner or later.

I know a lot of people do not like wiki but...At least it can help us "define" Karma. I personally do not fully prescribe to the Hindu deffinition which says God has to impliment Karmic consiquences....Me personally like the Buddist phylosiphy that god has nothing to do with Karma...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

How does one define the phrase "You reap what you so"??? To me it seems to be a little focused on the individual and how thier actions effect them.. (Me me me,, I, I, I...) For example: One robs a bank, one gets caught and goes to jail, one does not see their kids grow up, one gets out of jail and the adult kids want nothing to do with them. One dies alone and ashamed.

HOWEVER, I strongly feel what one sows has a greater effect than on ones self... For example: If a preist molests a child, sure that preist has to live with what they did, but so does the child, and that childs child along with the entire population of the world is impacted by that action along with that populations childeren and their children.. Know that is bad Karma! Even though that is bad karma at least it is not having bad karmic effects on our planets other living things.. Just us silly humans...

SO I see Karma as not about my actions and how they effect me, but about others actions in the past effecting me know, and my actions of the present effecting others later...Every living thing of the past is shaping us in the present. Every living thing in the present is shaping the future.

I see this pattern of past effecting the present which effects the future every where I see. I see when you sow a grain of wheat!

Know of course "karma" is not the only thing that dictates outcome. It is simply an attempt to help us understand one dimension of the complex universe we live in..

I believe I am saying the same thing as gogoalie IF "reap what you sow" is defined as effecting a single lifetime.

That's just it, yer not gunna know, what you've sowed, when yer gone from this life, but others will know, through whatever you left behind, be it children, inheritence, or yer nutrients to go back into the life cycle of earth...Reap,sow,goes 'round, comes 'round, in the life span of one individual, (Gandhi) can & will impact others...(MLKJr.)

Just my thoughts on my sleepless night..

Boyd,,, yer scaren me with that avatar..

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[Cindiloohoo]

I don't believe in kharma. I believe in God, who knows the depth of each individual, and sets up a path for you according to who you are, and where He wants you. I believe that bad folks have good things happen to them and good folks have bad things happen to them according to God's will. Things happen either to strengthen someone or weaken them further for God's intended purpose to everyone on an individual basis. I do not believe a person can atone for their own sins through works. We are saved by faith in Christ. Christ is the absolute atonement for all sin. Works are residual effects. I am sure my explanation is not cookie cutter perfect fit for everyone else

But, that is my opinion.

Boyd, regardless of whether we see eye to eye on a religion/theology level, I like ya a whole lot, and I believe what you do for those kids is making a HUGE impact on the future for them, and their generations to come with 'compounding interest.' You are doing good things, and for that I admire you

Yesterday's sins are gone and any reflection on them should be to learn what not to do again. As far as there not being 'an absolute atonement for me'.....I do not believe that at all. But, I used to feel that way as well, and I have done many horrible things. If folks knew even half the things I am guilty of I would have no friend left in the world I imagine. But, I'm not who I was. That person is dead and gone, and good riddance to bad rubbish if ya ask me. Forgive yourself, because the person you have the potential to be, far outweighs the person you used to be no matter how bad you were. Reflect, but don't get stuck beating yourself up...there are many more things that need attention that are not in the past, but right in front of you instead. Stay focused

 

[nonseq]

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skyclad?

 

[Beekissed]

To me it seems to be a little focused on the individual and how thier actions effect them.. (Me me me,, I, I, I...)

It actually isn't meant to mean that at all....but then, you seem to have a limited perspective on anything that involves Christianity teachings.

To reap what you sow actually involves generations...not the particular person who sows the seeds. Sort of the sins of the fathers type of thing. If you look upon life as not a single life but as a stone in a pond, with the ripple effects going out for years to come and to myriad people...the actual sowing of your deeds, thoughts, words have a much larger harvest. You may not even be the one doing the reaping but your family, friends, coworkers and whoever they've touched in this life may very well be the benefactors of your original sowing.

For example: Your children are witness to your life, learn from your actions, make choices depending upon those actions, it trickles down and down and down...and out like ripples on a pond. If you treat your parents with disrespect, with hate or abuse, your children may just as likely, learning from your example, do the very same thing to you. If you lie, hold grudges, tell terrible things about people, conspire to hurt them with your every waking moment...someone is watching, learning, being influenced by you and may in turn use the same tactics on you or someone else later.

Those of us who believe in an eternal life do certainly know they will be witness to that particular harvest and what fruits we have sown.​

 

[ZooMummzy]

Yes, I believe in Karma. What goes around comes around. It always has and it always will.

 

[chicmom]

OH YEAH.....What comes around, goes around. I do believe that, and I've seen it.

 

[Damummis]

Boyd,
To answer your question and not get all religious on you...................
Yes!!! I do believe in Karma, you reap what you sow and what goes around comes around. I also believe that everyone is responsible for their actions. I have lived both a very religious life and now I am on my spiritual life, and there is a BIG difference. It seems to me, in my humble opinion, that a lot of religious people feel they don't need to monitor their actions because they are "covered" either with confession, being born again or what have you. With that kind of attitude I could do what ever I want and not have to worry about the outcome, Karma or consequences cause it won't matter at the pearly gates. Think of the things I could get away with, just as long as I am repentant, say a little pray and act sincere. Now that I am living with a whole different mind set. Things have more meaning, more value. I am a happier person. So, yeah, I believe in Karma.

 

[Organics North]

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It actually isn't meant to mean that at all....but then, you seem to have a limited perspective on anything that involves Christianity teachings.

To reap what you sow actually involves generations...not the particular person who sows the seeds. Sort of the sins of the fathers type of thing. If you look upon life as not a single life but as a stone in a pond, with the ripple effects going out for years to come and to myriad people...the actual sowing of your deeds, thoughts, words have a much larger harvest. You may not even be the one doing the reaping but your family, friends, coworkers and whoever they've touched in this life may very well be the benefactors of your original sowing.

For example: Your children are witness to your life, learn from your actions, make choices depending upon those actions, it trickles down and down and down...and out like ripples on a pond. If you treat your parents with disrespect, with hate or abuse, your children may just as likely, learning from your example, do the very same thing to you. If you lie, hold grudges, tell terrible things about people, conspire to hurt them with your every waking moment...someone is watching, learning, being influenced by you and may in turn use the same tactics on you or someone else later.

Those of us who believe in an eternal life do certainly know they will be witness to that particular harvest and what fruits we have sown.

Yes, true my perspective is limited by my bias.

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..... I recognize this Karmic flaw of mine, and part of the reason I find interest in these threads, trying to understand and find common ground and try and find ways to forgive certain types of Christians. Hate or disdain for any one or anything is bad medicine in my book...

With that said:
I am not seeing a difference between "reap what you so" and the definition of Karma, especially the Hindu one that involves God? Other than the word not being accepted by Christianity.....

Thanks Beekissed..
Oh by the way I love your sig line! IMO so true...

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