Thank you so much. That was a very nice critique! Now I know a lot more than I did! I was expecting several flaws,I mean you can't expect to get show birds at a poultry auction!lol But all in all they are as good as I had hoped for. Lots to work on but at least they are not total trash! I'm like you the really nice ones are way out of my means so I was just tickled to get a pair as good as these even with their flaws for what I paid for them. Which by the way was $14! Again thanks you very much. You do a cgood critique,and explain it well,you should be a judge!