Lavender patterned Isabel duckwing barred - lavender brown cuckoo barred - project and genetic dis

[hhong3138]

11 is good - Plus you got mostly females from what we are deducing, based on what we know so far.... .  Every passing day that the chick in doubt makes it -- the more likely that they will continue to make it IMO. -- I had some chicks a few years ago* that needed some leg strengthening.   They all ended up just fine. 


Someone who is working on barred Isabels has arrived at the point where the babies are pretty obviously autosexable.  That project is a bit different from mine - they want to keep crest and emphasize blue eggs.  Hopefully some pictures may appear here in the future...   Meanwhile -- I think that we do have strong indicators of which will 'for sure' be a male, which are likely to be female and then there will be some that the jury will stay out until there are real indications (like a comb) -- but I have a feeling that we are definitely 'getting there'.  

* thinking about the eggs I set for Easer Hatch-along.... One weighted 2.4 and something and one weighted 1.87 and something.  So it would almost seem logical that the two eggs would require a bit different conditions.  The average weight of all the eggs was 2.2 -- Maybe at the end I can compare the ones that don't hatch to their orginal weight and see if there is an indicaton of a pattern...

Yes, they are quite lively now and I can't even spot which is which

. I won't need to hatch any more chicks if there are even 6-8 are barred in these 11.

* what is the humidity rate in your incubator now? i wish you the best luck with these set of eggs!

 

[hhong3138]

i am not sure about the sex of these 3 chicks. 2 of them have very small white dots on the head (they also have clear V on the head and clear strips on the back. 1 has no white dot on the head, but the v shape is faded a bit on the head. Any ideas?

 

[ChicKat]

Yes, they are quite lively now and I can't even spot which is which

. I won't need to hatch any more chicks if there are even 6-8 are barred in these 11.

* what is the humidity rate in your incubator now? i wish you the best luck with these set of eggs!

Glad that they are fully recovered -- My humidity is 45% to 50% and that room is hot and humid -- there are all the brooders in there with their heat, and the incubator and another incubator that I put 7 of Jack's eggs in, that were on the counter and maybe a bit 'old' to incubate - but I want to preserve his type as best I can. So that is one humid hot little room at the present - 2 incubators, 2 brooders with 'electric hens' and a little cage with 3 juvenile birds - plus I didn't take the Banty outdoors today -- I will weigh eggs tomorrow or the next day -- and see if the humidty is on track according to weights.

i am not sure about the sex of these 3 chicks. 2 of them have very small white dots on the head (they also have clear V on the head and clear strips on the back. 1 has no white dot on the head, but the v shape is faded a bit on the head. Any ideas?

My guestimate would be that the top two are females and the little white in the V indicates that they will be barred. The bottom one I think could be either -- but the dorsal stripes seem less prominent, and that back of the head fades a little from the strong V so maybe a male. Too bad that this generation isn't a guaranteed autosexing one -- so these are best guesses at this point.

 

[ChicKat]

First egg is always exciting....The pullet that the little Banty raised that was hatched in November:

Blurry but she's here:

She's the one on the right - and the male is on the left.... Both have 1 barring gene because the father, Cream Legbar, is double barred.

Today she laid her first egg.

The egg weighs 2.14 oz (60.6 grams) and comes in at a pretty green -- Here compared to a white egg--- (sorry blurry too - but you can see the color)

She's less than 5 months -- I will have to count the weeks -- Cream Legbars in my line pretty much can be counted on to lay the first egg at 24 weeks, so she is pretty early. And so big for a pullet egg.
Here is a reference of the color:
http://www.color-hex.com/color/9da397
It's about the third one from the right on the tints line. I'm pretty amazed at her. Here is a more recent picture of her:


The internet tells me it is 21 weeks.
ETA - a very astute person, mentioned that the egg may be double yolked, and when I candled that appears to be the case. That would mean that her normal (hopefully her next and subsequent) eggs will be a bit smaller.....

 

[Kiki]

One of my first eggs was BIG...it was a double yolk too.

New eggs are always exciting! Congrats ll girl!

 

[ChicKat]

One of my first eggs was BIG...it was a double yolk too.

New eggs are always exciting! Congrats ll girl!

THANK YOU! -- don't know why I never thought of it -- LOL -- that is an awfully big egg for a pullet egg -- so it only makes common sense.

 

[Kiki]

THANK YOU! -- don't know why I never thought of it -- LOL -- that is an awfully big egg for a pullet egg -- so it only makes common sense.

Cause your too busy thinking about way more complicating stuff!
lol

 

[HummelBee]

This is wonderful work! My husband and I breed "silver" labs, which is just a chocolate lab with two recessive dilute genes washing out the the chocolate to a wonderful smokey color. One of the concerns, other than perfecting the dogs' conformation to breed standards of course is the potential of an overly washed out coat. I may bring up reintroducing silver factored chocolates to "refresh" coat color to my husband after reading this. We haven't run into it yet, but have heard criticisms from silver haters that it's a sure dead end to the silver lab breeding program after several generations. Who'da thunk the answer might be on a chicken forum!

 

[ChicKat]

This is wonderful work! My husband and I breed "silver" labs, which is just a chocolate lab with two recessive dilute genes washing out the the chocolate to a wonderful smokey color. One of the concerns, other than perfecting the dogs' conformation to breed standards of course is the potential of an overly washed out coat. I may bring up reintroducing silver factored chocolates to "refresh" coat color to my husband after reading this. We haven't run into it yet, but have heard criticisms from silver haters that it's a sure dead end to the silver lab breeding program after several generations. Who'da thunk the answer might be on a chicken forum!

who would have thunk it! Of course you will HAVE to keep us up to date on the subject -- we have a definite parallel going that we would like to have the two recessives do their work but not over do it.

Feel free to post a picture of a sliver lab, I don't think I've ever seen one - and they sound pretty. Looking at the Isabels there are a lot of times the angle of light makes them look silvery too.

 

[HummelBee]

I have to admit I clicked on this thread because I've been eyeing Isabels as the last birds to round out my flock and a lengthy genetics lesson is too interesting to turn away from! My husband only recently agreed to let me get any birds and I've been slowly killing the poor, patient man. I'll have to see if I can find a good one of our upcoming stud, he's coming out of his winter coat shed and looks slightly pitiful.