Marans - SOP discussion thread

[math ace]

Just yesterday I read in the Marans group that to remove the "whitish" color on ears use a toothbrush, and it will come off. It is what I am seeing, not this enamel white.

I just don't know what to think about this marquisella..... If you try it, please, report back and let us know if it worked....

 

[maryhysong]

I just don't know what to think about this marquisella..... If you try it, please, report back and let us know if it worked....

I wonder sometimes when the earlobe looks a little pale/whitish if it isn't just dry/dead skin. In that case the toothbrush and maybe a little oil would bring the color out, I think

 

[maryhysong]

Hmmm...well, she looks tiny - is she quite small? Her underline isn't great. It's not horrible, but not quite the nice round bowl shaped underline that we prefer. Her back could be longer, and the angle isn't there (slightly inclined from base of tail to base of neck). Tail is pinched. Shank feathering not good. Yeah, I dunno...I would not use her. (my opinion only - I am not an expert).

After I posted that pic of red55 I was out in the pens and sat and watched her a few minutes. This is a case where the picture lies; it makes her look much better than she is. Watching her out there, she has a steep slope to the back, she is unbalanced, with a lot of front and not much back end, and yes she is pinched in the tail. Yes also on the small side. So she can just stay in the layer pen as long as she's laying.

I want to thank everyone that comments on my pics; I have been learning a lot here and also on the Plymouth Rock breeders thread; Fred's Hens did a really nice series of pics over there, showing how a good bird is a good bird the day it hatches and the same for a poor one. It really helped me a lot.

 

[math ace]

What exactly is the process for amending an existing SOP for clarification purposes only?

On another thread, there was a discussion about the difference in the SOP for color between the Large fowl and bantam fowl of the same breed.
The color should of been the same, yet the SOP is vague for the large fowl. The folks came to a consensus that if the wording was changed to match the wording for color in the bantam variety, the SOP would be clearer. As it is - JUDGES knew what they were doing, but new folks reading the SOP could misinterpret what was wanted in the large fowl variety of the breed.

So.... what exactly is the process for amending an SOP....Keep in mind I am not inquiring about changing something as in making a "new" standard. For example, changing tail angle from 45 to 60 degree. I am strictly talking about a change in the SOP for clarification purposes like our "downward tilt" issue with the marans SOP.

 

[marquisella]

Quote: They were talking about the "dusting of" whitish color, not enamel white. It really looks more like shavings dust. I just got rid of my best cockerel. He was just about perfect, perfect color, black chest, copper all the same and good, good substance, good angles, but he had a dam wry tail......I'm ready to give up.

On a pleasant note, 2 of my bc pullets started laying, at just about 6 months, and the eggs are a good 5.5. Hoping they get darker. I put my best cockerel in with them today, so hopefully by next week I will have some fertile eggs.

 

[Rocky Rhodes]

I have been looking for an SOP for cuckoo marans. Does anyone know where I can find it?

 

[Wynette]

I have been looking for an SOP for cuckoo marans. Does anyone know where I can find it?

Here is the PROPOSED standard for Cuckoo:

MALE

Comb, Face, Wattles, & Ear-Lobes: Bright red

Beak: Light horn fading to white at the tip

Eyes: Orange Red

Plumage: Feathers in all sections shall be crossed throughout their entire
length by irregular zig-zagged dark and light-dark or slate bars that stop short
of positive black and white; free from shafting, brownish tinge, or metallic
sheen; the tip of each feather dark; excellence to be determined by distinct
contrasts. The male should be one or two shades lighter than the female, with
more pronounced barring throughout.

Legs & Toes:
Shanks: Pinkish white with some black spotting allowed
Bottoms of feet: Pinkish white

Shank and Toe Feathers: Same as Plumage

FEMALE

Comb, Face, Wattles, & Ear-Lobes: Bright red

Beak: Light horn fading to white at the tip

Eyes: Orange Red

Plumage: Feathers in all sections shall be crossed throughout their entire
length by irregular zig-zagged dark and light-dark or slate bars that stop short
of positive black and white; free from shafting, brownish tinge, or metallic
sheen; the tip of each feather dark; excellence to be determined by distinct
contrasts. Females to be darker than males.

Legs & Toes:
Shanks: Pinkish white with some black spotting allowed
Bottoms of feet: Pinkish white

Shank and Toe Feathers: Same as Plumage

 

[maryhysong]

Here is the PROPOSED standard for Cuckoo:


Plumage: Feathers in all sections shall be crossed throughout their entire
length by irregular zig-zagged dark and light-dark or slate bars that stop short
of positive black and white; free from shafting, brownish tinge, or metallic
sheen; the tip of each feather dark; excellence to be determined by distinct
contrasts. The male should be one or two shades lighter than the female, with
more pronounced barring throughout.

Wynette that highlighted sentence just doesn't make any sense to me. and it's repeated for the hen. I really think the wording needs to be changed a bit to give a clearer picture of what is wanted.

 

[DMRippy]

Quote: They are CUCKOO NOT BARRED that is what that is conveying. Barring should be STRAIGHT from one side of the feather to the other. Cuckoo is more V shaped and irregular. Barring STOPS and STARTS Color. Cuckoo does not work that way.

 

[Rocky Rhodes]

So, if there is only a proposed SOP, who has proposed it, and when will it be accepted? The way I understand it if a proposed SOP has not been accepted, there is no SOP. Right?