Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

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Debbi, To be honest with you I believe most all BC Marans will produce a Sprig and if we do not single mate our Brood stock you will never be able to pin point where the sprig is coming from. If you single mate a few then the matings that are clean you can then put the sisters in a pen and breed them together if you would like.

Talking about the Carnation Comb I have never seen any research on whether you have to have the gene on male and female side. From my experience I would say that just one copy of the gene will give you Carnation comb.

The over Brown male that I experimented with the later half of the breeding season did not produce any comb problems, I hatched out over 400 and all were culled with major color faults and shank feathering.

The four Dark males I ended up with from last year I hatched out over 400 and had about 10-12 with sprigs. I still have the four males and one hen and two pullets that got away when losding them.

I have never had a sprig or carnation comb in the Wheaten or White. I bought a dozen wheaten eggs this spring from Wisc. and two of the males had Carnation combs so culled all of the shipped egg chicks. I believe there are more Marans out there with Penne influence that Marans breeders will admit. I still have most of the young Wheaten as the buyer never showed up for them.
 
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Ok...you know me and I am not being argumentative, so help me out here.......how can they be just Splash? Some varieties of Splash (not just talking Marans here) will allow patterns to come through, for example, Splash Laced Red Wyandottes show their laced pattern. The extra blue gene does not effect the lacing pattern on these birds, so how could they be judged as just Splash when clearly they would be laced?

I agree. If they are going to accept Splash, they are going to have to at least except the Splash and the Splash Copper. Then, like you say there are the other varieties. That sure won't be an easy SOP to come up with!
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I believe the best thing to do would be for someone to ask Walt Leonard to comment on this as he is in charge of the committee that will decide the fate of the Splash if they are ever admitted. So walt, care to comment on the SPLASH, And if there will be more than one SPLASH for the Marans.
 
Thanks Don,

None of my BCMs have sprigs, just the carnation comb, and I attribute that to the very first batch of eggs I hatched from a man in KY. He's still churning out the eggs, so the Marans population will have more Penne crap infusing into the lines.

Neither of my dark boys have a sprig or carnation, so I am hoping they are not the problem. As far as I understand the carnation, it takes two sets of genes for it to be expressed. I may be wrong here, but this is what I have read in the past. That would explain the first F1s if they did come from the brother/sister breeding. One gene came from the roo who did not express it, 2 genes would come from the hen that does express it, and 1 gene from the other two hens that don't express it. So, when the roo with 1 gene bred a hen with 1 gene, the chick ended up with TWO genes, and thus it was expressed. When the roo with 1 gene bred the hen with the carnation, well, indeed there was a carnation. Single matings should prove helpful down the road, but right now, I'm nowhere near set up for it.
 
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The splash pullet is lovely and I would use her to make some more Blue Coppers if you had a Black Copper male to breed her to.

Do you have another photo of the splash roo??? One that is more close up and a little clearer perhaps? Not saying your photos are bad, they are not, it's just that the one of the roo is not clear enough to see his coloration.
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In this photo he appears to be a Splash Birchen....anyone else see this? Don? Geebs? Debbi?

I do have a pen with 5 black copper hens and 1 roo, I could put her in there, but I will need to be able to identify which are her eggs. My Marans are all youngish yet, so not all of them are laying yet. The black coppers have been the slowest to start laying of all my breeds. So if I breed the splash hen to a black copper, all the offspring will be blue copper? Like I said, I'm new to this...I'll get some more pics of the roo and post them.
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The splash pullet is lovely and I would use her to make some more Blue Coppers if you had a Black Copper male to breed her to.

Do you have another photo of the splash roo??? One that is more close up and a little clearer perhaps? Not saying your photos are bad, they are not, it's just that the one of the roo is not clear enough to see his coloration.
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In this photo he appears to be a Splash Birchen....anyone else see this? Don? Geebs? Debbi?

I do have a pen with 5 black copper hens and 1 roo, I could put her in there, but I will need to be able to identify which are her eggs. My Marans are all youngish yet, so not all of them are laying yet. The black coppers have been the slowest to start laying of all my breeds. So if I breed the splash hen to a black copper, all the offspring will be blue copper? Like I said, I'm new to this...I'll get some more pics of the roo and post them.
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Yes. Although some may not show the coppering, genetically, they will all be Blue Coppers.
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I think that VillageChicken had explained some about this over on the Cuckoo Marans and White Marans thread.



Yes, I believe that's probably where I read it. I knew it was somewhere on one of the Marans threads here. Thanks Hens!
 
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The splash pullet is lovely and I would use her to make some more Blue Coppers if you had a Black Copper male to breed her to.

Do you have another photo of the splash roo??? One that is more close up and a little clearer perhaps? Not saying your photos are bad, they are not, it's just that the one of the roo is not clear enough to see his coloration.
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In this photo he appears to be a Splash Birchen....anyone else see this? Don? Geebs? Debbi?

I'll get some more pics of the roo and post them.
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Here they are, hope these show him better, he was being very cooperative
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