Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[pinkchick]

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WOW! I've heard about Split Tail, Split Wing, but never heard about a SPILT comb!

Flip this around to the rear of the comb and that is basically what these mature "carnation" combs resemble with the exception of having only 1 sprig per side.

 

[pinkchick]

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typical of invert/telescope combs. ? ? ??

NEVER heard about these before... I hope you can dig up some pics.

I've read so many things and visited sooooo many places on the web looking for comb info, I actually ran across some very nice photos and good information of this issue......now to remember where I saw this and to find it again.

 

[pinkchick]

Vicki~

Sorry I'm late getting back with you about Gigantor....I love him and his size, type, copper. I bet he will make some nice females with good color. My Lil' Bill has just a bit more variation in the copper colors and not quite as red as Gigantor, but I think he will still help with coloring up the females in the hackle. It will be interesting to see what we produce with these boys this year.


The photo is a bit unclear on my end so I cannot tell so I will ask....is this shafting in the breast or is it just the red in the chest?

 

[pinkchick]

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Yes, the feather shafting tends to go hand in hand with the combs. The boy next to him is Blue Butt. He has a really nice, pyramidal sprig on the other side of that comb, and he is one NASTY MEAN sonofagun!!!

Interesting.....can you please explain a little more as to why you think they are linked?

 

[gilavina]

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no worries Kim. That's the part that is weird about how he went thru his molt and how he is losing the color on his chest. He's always just had all red feathers and then either they molted out, or turned black as he's gotten older. the pic isn't the best I know, but its not really shafting...he's got a couple of feathers that from time to time when I'd look at him I wondered if it was, but have kept an eye on them and the shafting has gone away just like the rest of the feather. Its kind of like how the white on the birds eventually turns black in some. I don't know what to think really, just think its interesting and not like shafting I've seen on any of the photos I've seen of the Marans that have it. I'm really curious to see how he progresses and if more of that color will fade. Just in the last month, he has lost even more color and in the last month is when he was coming out of his molt. Regardless, its going to be really interesting to see what he produces!

 

[gilavina]

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typical of invert/telescope combs. ? ? ??

NEVER heard about these before... I hope you can dig up some pics.

I've read so many things and visited sooooo many places on the web looking for comb info, I actually ran across some very nice photos and good information of this issue......now to remember where I saw this and to find it again.

that's my problem...I've seen things and read things online, but didn't bookmark them or if I had they were on my old computer before it crashed. So, I feel kind of stuck because I can't just go pull a couple books off the shelf and scan them and load them for you guys to read or look at the illustrations. If you can find any of the things you've read online i'm sure it would help out tons! and you are right...some of the other combs can be a real challenge to work with. The rosecombs on wyandottes are not a walk in the park at all...that's for sure.

 

[pinkchick]

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no worries Kim. That's the part that is weird about how he went thru his molt and how he is losing the color on his chest. He's always just had all red feathers and then either they molted out, or turned black as he's gotten older. the pic isn't the best I know, but its not really shafting...he's got a couple of feathers that from time to time when I'd look at him I wondered if it was, but have kept an eye on them and the shafting has gone away just like the rest of the feather. Its kind of like how the white on the birds eventually turns black in some. I don't know what to think really, just think its interesting and not like shafting I've seen on any of the photos I've seen of the Marans that have it. I'm really curious to see how he progresses and if more of that color will fade. Just in the last month, he has lost even more color and in the last month is when he was coming out of his molt. Regardless, its going to be really interesting to see what he produces!

IMHO, I believe he is worth test mating.

 

[Debbi]

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this one

Did you read this entire thread? This is a very interesting thread even though it does not pertain directly to what we have going on, but gives a great deal of infomation on combs and types and how they behave. I truly believe they are sprigs that we are dealing with that have variations and perhaps maybe another fault or issue as well. The first bad comb that I had pop up was "ingrown" or inverted as Debbi is describing...but it did come out fully when he reached maturation leaving the comb looking normal with the exception of the 2 lovely sprigs out either side. The others that have expressed in the birds I have hatched out have not been ingrown or inverted, just have the sprigs or signs of sprigs. Oh and I was wrong on my count of the birds that I have hatched with the problem....I have hatched out 5 Marans with this particular issue.....2 of them not being of my lines or from my birds. The other the Delaware hen I don't believe counts.

Ever thought about how hard it would be to breed out the combs on some other breeds of chickens?

Can you imagine trying to breed this comb out of it's breed? This is a rosecomb. (borrowed from The Coop from the same link as above)
https://www.backyardchickens.com/fo...thu7_borrowed_from_the_coop_polish_thread.jpg

Or this one? (Borrowed from the Oddities thread at The Coop)
https://www.backyardchickens.com/fo...no_borrowed_from_the_coop_oddities_thread.jpg

That second comb looks like a backwards Carnation! The crown sits on the front of the comb instead of on the blade. Sure hope neither one of those pop up here! I'm doing more checking on my Silkies too, they are prone to comb defects as well, such as points and horns!

 

[Debbi]

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Yes, the feather shafting tends to go hand in hand with the combs. The boy next to him is Blue Butt. He has a really nice, pyramidal sprig on the other side of that comb, and he is one NASTY MEAN sonofagun!!!

Interesting.....can you please explain a little more as to why you think they are linked?

It's just what I am seeing here in my birds. Carnationed combed birds all also have feather shafting. Sprig bird (Blue Butt blue copper) does not have shafting. Normal combed birds, no feather shafting.

All info I am spouting is from what I see here. I don't have the genetic background or anything else to go by.

 

[Debbi]

Good morning to all!

Is it cold up there this morning Vicki?? Whopping 14* here, but at least for now, the wind has quit!

Supposed to get into the 40s later...