Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[BarnGoddess01]

I don't mean this to be a lame, REALLY LAME, question .... but how do you test mate for all the issues we are seeing?

It isn't a lame question. But the problem is you literally have to have HUNDREDS if not thousands of birds in order to make a dent. And even Don baled on us with Marans.

Seems to me what you have to be able to do is pick your battles. Decide what YOU can live with and what you can't.

 

[Christie Rhae]

copy...paste...copy..paste...print for chicken folder....

 

[culler]

I don't mean this to be a lame, REALLY LAME, question .... but how do you test mate for all the issues we are seeing?

For instance, I just test mated a hen that I suspected of carring a recessive yellow leg gene. I tested mated her to my delaware roo to see what was produced. Sure enough, yellow leg chicks were produced...

So what kind of matings should we be doing for these testings ? ? ?

When you say "test mating" .... Is the purpose of test mating just so that we KNOW what each pair is throwing. In other words, selective pairing instead of using a bunch of hens and a couple of roos and being unable to track down where the defects are coming from?

Did we decide HOW to test mate for a carnation comb carrier?

Lisa, the only thing at present that I am really incouraging everyone is the Carnation and sprig combs. The main thing about test matings is you can put all the female offspring in a pen and breed them with one male. Testing for the Carnation would be just like any of the other recessive problems. If I have either of these in a mating of chicks I would cull all.

 

[culler]

It isn't a lame question. But the problem is you literally have to have HUNDREDS if not thousands of birds in order to make a dent. And even Don baled on us with Marans.

Seems to me what you have to be able to do is pick your battles. Decide what YOU can live with and what you can't.

Barb, the reason I got away from the Marans had nothing to do with the chickens, only the higher up leaders in charge. That is all I will say on the subject.

 

[culler]

I don't mean this to be a lame, REALLY LAME, question .... but how do you test mate for all the issues we are seeing?

For instance, I just test mated a hen that I suspected of carring a recessive yellow leg gene. I tested mated her to my delaware roo to see what was produced. Sure enough, yellow leg chicks were produced...

So what kind of matings should we be doing for these testings ? ? ?

When you say "test mating" .... Is the purpose of test mating just so that we KNOW what each pair is throwing. In other words, selective pairing instead of using a bunch of hens and a couple of roos and being unable to track down where the defects are coming from?

Did we decide HOW to test mate for a carnation comb carrier?

Lisa, if you do single mating and mark the chicks, any fault or DQ that shows up you will know where it came from. Better to have one good breeding pair than 10 that are middle of the road.

 

[fowlman01]

Barb, the SOP is there for a reason and the Judge has no right to interpret anyway he would like. The Judge is required to have a copy of the SOP on hand when judging. With the Marans he or she should have a copy of the Standard. When people she a Marans in a show winning or placing with a DQ it gives the wrong impression. We have a standard so should be to it.

This is correct...
The Marans is a new breed so if I was showing I would have a copy of the Standard to give to the judge ahead of time....if possible. Judges are supposed to have the CURRENT Standard in their possession whenever they judge. They are also supposed to take a copy of all new breed descriptions that are published in the APA Newsletter with them to shows.

There are remedies if a person feels a APA judge made a mistake because of negligence. The easiest is to let the judge know about it. Bringing it to the show supts attention is probably the best way, so that someone other than an exhibitor brings it forward, but any APA member can file a greivence at a show if that is necessary. Judges are just people, so mistakes can occur.

I haven't read all the posts......

Walt

 

[math ace]

I haven't read all the posts......

Walt

Welcome back Walt....

It is all good Walt! We are playing nice with each other

I posted pics of the marans birds from Newnan... and a nice healthy discussion followed.

For the most part, I think we were surprised to see so many marans entered that were presenting and identified (by the judge) with DQs.

There were a couple of birds that placed and looked to of had DQ's that were not caught by the judge.

A few of us wanted to know what the procedure is if all the birds in one catergory have DQ's. Does there have to be a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place bird if every bird in the catergory is presenting DQ's?

 

[math ace]

Walt,

Is there a book or a set of guidelines for proper showmanship for exhibitors at a poultry show?

I KNOW the Juniors get tested on showmanship, so I am assuming there are some etiquette rules somewhere...

 

[culler]

Walt,

Is there a book or a set of guidelines for proper showmanship for exhibitors at a poultry show?

I KNOW the Juniors get tested on showmanship, so I am assuming there are some etiquette rules somewhere...

Lisa, go to page 4 of the 2001 SOP

 

[culler]

Lisa, if the judge deems that there is not a bird in a class good enough to place they have the option of not placing anything regardless of a DQ or not.