Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[DMRippy]

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They are colored a little different. I am not positive what the differences in the color are but they are different. I think the Wheatens are lighter in color.... but not sure. The areas with color are the same except the triangle in the wheatens. If my memory servers me when comments are made about BCM.... looking like they have Wheaten influence they are lighter colored. There is a Wheaten Marans thread, you might want to ask over there. We don't see Wheatens much here.

 

[math ace]

Just the advice I was going to offer. I don't have any wheatens, so I went online to try to find a picture of the wing triangle.. I hope this helps... No Arrows... but see the tip of the wing where the brown is.. not the shoulder part of the wing, but the tip that is pointing towards the ground. See how it kind of makes a triangle. This is called the wing triangle. On a wheaten marans it is brown / cinnamon. On a black copper marans it is BLACK...

 

[Daloorashens]

Just the advice I was going to offer. I don't have any wheatens, so I went online to try to find a picture of the wing triangle.. I hope this helps... No Arrows... but see the tip of the wing where the brown is.. not the shoulder part of the wing, but the tip that is pointing towards the ground. See how it kind of makes a triangle. This is called the wing triangle. On a wheaten marans it is brown / cinnamon. On a black copper marans it is BLACK...

Oh yes, that is pretty obvious, actually, that pic is very helpful...

And thanks DM for the other info about if they were mixed, interesting.... I'll go take a stroll through the Wheaten thread=)

 

[pinkchick]

[COLOR=0000CD]I am doing a little more research on ILT and stumbled accross this piece of info.  It seems to confirm what Ron was saying...[/COLOR]


[COLOR=800080]Infectious Laryngotracheitis (ILT) is a highly contagious, respiratory disease of chickens caused by a herpes virus. ILT can occur naturally (field strain) and also from vaccines (vaccine-like strains). Over the past few years, there have been an increased number of vaccine-like strains of ILT in Washington. ILT in mature chickens may result in a drop in egg production, coughing, watery eyes, swollen sinuses, and nasal discharge. ILT infections may also result in a 1-2% increase in mortality, but may reach a 50% increase in mortality.[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=800080]One way to prevent ILT infections is through vaccinations. There are 3 types of ILT vaccinations currently being used, [COLOR=008000]Tissue Culture Origin (TCO) vaccine[/COLOR], Recombinant ILT vaccine, and Chicken Embry Origin (CEO) vaccine. The Washington State Department of Agriculture (WSDA) recommends the following to fair poultry superintendants:
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[COLOR=800080]1. Restrict poultry from showing that have been vaccinated with the CEO vaccine or have been infected with ILT in the past 24 months. Due to the infectious nature of the CEO vaccine, poultry can shed the ILT virus when stressed, resulting in other birds becoming infected.
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[COLOR=800080]2.   [COLOR=008000][SIZE=3[COLOR=blue]]Restrict[/SIZE] [COLOR=008000]poultry from showing that have been vaccinated with the TCO vaccine in the past 30 days. [COLOR=008000]Birds that were recently vaccinated with the TCO vaccine can infect non-vaccinated birds with ILT.
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[COLOR=800080]3. If owners choose to vaccinate their birds for ILT, WSDA recommends that they [COLOR=008000]use the TCO vaccine.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=800080]4. As a reminder, per the Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 16.36.082, it is unlawful for any person with an animal having any contagious, communicable, or infectious disease to knowingly stable the animal or allow the animal to be stabled in any barn with other animals without notifying the other owners.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=800080]5. Exhibitors should be reminded that when they return home from the fair, birds that attended the fair should be separated from other birds for 2-3 weeks, and examined for signs of illness.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=800080]If you have questions, please contact Dr. Lyndon Badcoe at (360)725-5763 or [email protected], or contact your local veterinarian.[/COLOR]

Oh how I wish the state would practice what they preach when talking about restrictions and enforce it, but they don't and this is one of the main reasons I won't show my birds.

 

[DMRippy]

I know of a person that took her birds to a show and there was a sick bird. Her birds got sick and she has had to close her flock now, they are all potential carriers. Oddly enough, she could still be NPIP cert. The closing of her flock was self imposed because it was the right thing to do.

 

[pinkchick]

I know of a person that took her birds to a show and there was a sick bird.  Her birds got sick and she has had to close her flock now, they are all potential carriers.  Oddly enough, she could still be NPIP cert.  The closing of her flock was self imposed because it was the right thing to do.

 

Birds here are to be NPIP cert. or accompanied by a current health certificate to be shown.................this is NOT enforced here.......not even at sanctioned shows. I have several friends here and all show their birds.......4 of the 7 of them are trying to acheive APA credits or points to become master breeders............not one of them has ever been asked to produce health certs or NPIP papers or documentation upon taking their birds to shows, let alone having anyone do a visual physical inspection of their birds upon show entry.

PLEASE NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING THE APA HERE......I am only speaking of my states position and lack of responsibility on the laws and regulations they set forth and do not enforce.......BUT BOY HOWDY be ready to take out a loan to become NPIP certified here.

 

[DMRippy]

Quote: They don't test for enough things. I think here you either have to show the paperwork or get tested on site.

 

[SIMZ]

I FINALLY found an egg today from my new BCM pullets! I can't wait for my color chart to come so I can see where these fall. They don't seem to look as impressive and dark in the picture, but it's still thrilling after 25 weeks of waiting!

the new egg is the top left (beside a leghorn)
one of our hen's eggs is the bottom right (beside a bantam egg)

 

[Hens and Roos]

I FINALLY found an egg today from my new BCM pullets! I can't wait for my color chart to come so I can see where these fall. They don't seem to look as impressive and dark in the picture, but it's still thrilling after 25 weeks of waiting!

the new egg is the top left (beside a leghorn)
one of our hen's eggs is the bottom right (beside a bantam egg)

Congrats! Those bantam eggs are so cute next to the bigger ones

 

[pinkchick]

I FINALLY found an egg today from my new BCM pullets!  I can't wait for my color chart to come so I can see where these fall.  They don't seem to look as impressive and dark in the picture, but it's still thrilling after 25 weeks of waiting!  e  

the new egg is the top left (beside a leghorn)
one of our hen's eggs is the bottom right (beside a bantam egg)

CONGRATULATIONS! It's lovely!