Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[fowlman01]

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There are several tail point cuts that can be found in the SOP. I have to leave in a few minutes, but I will list the ones that occur often. Pinched or gamy tail 1/2-2 pts. (but in reality you can't win with this condition). Tail feathers missing where a foreign color would DQ. 1/2-1 pt. Less than 1/4 developed 3 points. I can't find the tail angle point cuts right now, but I'm guessing it is 1/2-3 and a DQ above 90 degrees. We judges don't use protractors to measure, so it is an eyeball guess on the judges part. I would say it is pretty accurate though...... 45 degrees is easy to see.

Walt

 

[Wynette]

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There are several tail point cuts that can be found in the SOP. I have to leave in a few minutes, but I will list the ones that occur often. Pinched or gamy tail 1/2-2 pts. (but in reality you can't win with this condition). Tail feathers missing where a foreign color would DQ. 1/2-1 pt. Less than 1/4 developed 3 points. I can't find the tail angle point cuts right now, but I'm guessing it is 1/2-3 and a DQ above 90 degrees. We judges don't use protractors to measure, so it is an eyeball guess on the judges part. I would say it is pretty accurate though...... 45 degrees is easy to see.

Walt

Thanks Walt...I was just going through your posts to find this. I have my SOP on order, but won't get it until December (it sounds like). I'll copy & save this!

 

[fowlman01]

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I know of a bantam white Rock that won best of show in a large show and it had no Rock blood in it. It looked like a Rock though. It was a white Orp/Wyandotte bantam cross.

Walt

 

[snowbird]

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Finally found the post I was looking for. The way I understood Don's post was that the standard called for solid copper hackle and saddle feathers but the american versions of BCMs all have a two-toned feather with black center and copper border. So am I misunderstanding or is the point that the proposed standard isn't specific enough? In other words, should it say "black center with copper border". Also, how much of the two-toned should be showing? I'm guessing it should appear to be solid copper but only upon close observation and examination should you see the black. But, like always, I have several examples of each so I'm prepared for whatever gets finalized.

Maybe Don is referring to shafting when he states "black center of the feather"? Good question, Monique.

The proposed USA standard left out the part about the BC having the flame in Hackle and Saddle should state Copper with black stripe or Black feather with Copper edge. There should be enough showing so you can see it in a picture is the easiest way to describe. Maybe someone on the inside could ask Bev Davis why it is left out.

 

[pinkchick]

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I know of a bantam white Rock that won best of show in a large show and it had no Rock blood in it. It looked like a Rock though. It was a white Orp/Wyandotte bantam cross.

Walt

What?!?!? It won just because it looked like the Rock!
So, if a person that has a bird that resembles a bird of a completely different breed and has absolutely no blood of the breed that it was entered under it can win? How does that work?
Isn't that kind of like misrepresentation?

Sorry! I just don't understand.

 

[Wynette]

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Maybe Don is referring to shafting when he states "black center of the feather"? Good question, Monique.

The proposed USA standard left out the part about the BC having the flame in Hackle and Saddle should state Copper with black stripe or Black feather with Copper edge. There should be enough showing so you can see it in a picture is the easiest way to describe. Maybe someone on the inside could ask Bev Davis why it is left out.

Don, if it was left out, I'm sure it was not intentional. To me, if something is not specifically called out, it is open for interpretation of the breeder - Walt, thoughts on this idea?

 

[snowbird]

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Finally found the post I was looking for. The way I understood Don's post was that the standard called for solid copper hackle and saddle feathers but the american versions of BCMs all have a two-toned feather with black center and copper border. So am I misunderstanding or is the point that the proposed standard isn't specific enough? In other words, should it say "black center with copper border". Also, how much of the two-toned should be showing? I'm guessing it should appear to be solid copper but only upon close observation and examination should you see the black. But, like always, I have several examples of each so I'm prepared for whatever gets finalized.

Here is a pic of Pip, hopefully, you can see the coloring of his hackles. Is this what Don was referring to? 10 weeks old in the pic.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/56168_all_chicks_10-13-10_007.jpg

Yes' he will show more when older, should also show up in the saddle also when older.

 

[geebs]

never mind

 

[desertskynm]

I think I might... I got my rooster for free off of craigslist- so I don't know his breed- but a month ago I hatched easter eggers and RIR with the roo and am waiting on the easter eggers to lay so it might give me a better clue as to the roo. But he sure looks like a marans. And I have to say the crosses are gorgeous, but that could just be a proud mama speaking.

I will post pictures later today if all goes well.

DesertSkyNM


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[snowbird]

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The proposed USA standard left out the part about the BC having the flame in Hackle and Saddle should state Copper with black stripe or Black feather with Copper edge. There should be enough showing so you can see it in a picture is the easiest way to describe. Maybe someone on the inside could ask Bev Davis why it is left out.

Don, if it was left out, I'm sure it was not intentional. To me, if something is not specifically called out, it is open for interpretation of the breeder - Walt, thoughts on this idea?

I had brought this up when I was still on Bev's site. Maybe Walt can comment as this is a big item that should be in the Standard, I do not know but it could of been added , but the last standard proposed still does not have it in there.