Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[snowbird]

n.smithurmond :

Thanks for the input Pinkchick! I was able to get some better pics. I read a bit about the tail angle just now in a 4-h pamphlet, it never occurred to me before you mentioned it! It depends on how he's standing; in which posture is the tail angle measured since the angle changes with his stance? The more upright he is the more upright his tail angle is.

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Just a little on what I can tell you on the tail angle. If you notice in both of these pictures the tail appears to be a little low on both. Use an imaginary rectangular box over the picture and you will see the female has the box type body and the male is a little liking in the chest area of being full. also notice if you draw an imaginary line above the box from head to tail the , the tail will be lower then the head meaning the tail in this cage is low. These look like their tail angle is at most about 30* and this is not all bad as it is easier to raise the tail angle than it is to lower.

Does this male have any white under the hackle feathers, these males appear to have the wheaten influence from leg and hackle color. Don​

 

[pinkchick]

Don.... ok, so you think all of the these things, brownish underfluff, white fluff at the tail base, white in the hackles AND the light leg color is indicitive of Wheaten?

 

[snowbird]

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Yes I do, The only thing we can do now is cull it out when we see it in our young birds and the younger the cheaper it will be. Don

 

[Lotsapaints]

Thanks to everyone on here I took a look again in my cull pen as I put a nice looking BC in there because of white fluff and he still has a white tail feather I'm totally getting what Don is saying he has white/pink undertone on his legs and I am seeing that he looks so much like Wheatons I see posted and he has brown on the edges of his wing triangle not all brown but the edge of the bottom side.....another one in that pen from another hatch has the same thing going on and he too has the pink light gray undertone on his shanks but no white feathers or fluff.....I cannot seem to raise a black copper roo

but I am learning what to look for thanks for all of your lesons

 

[pinkchick]

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I'm beginning to feel the same way about not being able to get a nice Black Copper roo...guess I am just going to be stuck with da blue boys!

 

[Kerjack]

I gotta say I am in love with this breed and am enjoying all the pictures. I currently don't have any Marans, but I'm on the search for them. Anyone know of any breeders in Ontario, Canada? Haha

 

[n.smithurmond]

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Just a little on what I can tell you on the tail angle. If you notice in both of these pictures the tail appears to be a little low on both. Use an imaginary rectangular box over the picture and you will see the female has the box type body and the male is a little liking in the chest area of being full. also notice if you draw an imaginary line above the box from head to tail the , the tail will be lower then the head meaning the tail in this cage is low. These look like their tail angle is at most about 30* and this is not all bad as it is easier to raise the tail angle than it is to lower.

Does this male have any white under the hackle feathers, these males appear to have the wheaten influence from leg and hackle color. Don

Interesting you should mention it! This particular cockerel does NOT have any white BUT one of the other two (I had considered them culls already b/c of the yellowish legs) has a small amount of white in a couple primaries on one side and a few white spots in the feathering on his feet. I do believe the breeder mentioned that this particular line (originating from Wade Jeane line) has had wheatens show up. What's the significance of this?

 

[pinkchick]

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WELCOME!!!!

If you are in love with them now, it's my opinion that when you actually get them you will be head over heels! I do not know of anyone in Canada but I am sure they are out there. Hoping someone who may know will come by and give some thoughts. Wishing you all the best of luck. Thanks for joining the thread, it's great to see new folks jump aboard.

 

[pinkchick]

n.smithurmond :

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Just a little on what I can tell you on the tail angle. If you notice in both of these pictures the tail appears to be a little low on both. Use an imaginary rectangular box over the picture and you will see the female has the box type body and the male is a little liking in the chest area of being full. also notice if you draw an imaginary line above the box from head to tail the , the tail will be lower then the head meaning the tail in this cage is low. These look like their tail angle is at most about 30* and this is not all bad as it is easier to raise the tail angle than it is to lower.

Does this male have any white under the hackle feathers, these males appear to have the wheaten influence from leg and hackle color. Don

Interesting you should mention it! This particular cockerel does NOT have any white BUT one of the other two (I had considered them culls already b/c of the yellowish legs) has a small amount of white in a couple primaries on one side and a few white spots in the feathering on his feet. I do believe the breeder mentioned that this particular line (originating from Wade Jeane line) has had wheatens show up. What's the significance of this?​

The significance of the particular line that throws Wheatens or the significance of the Wheaten characteristics popping up in Black Coppers? Sorry if I am misunderstanding your question.

 

[Lotsapaints]

n.smithurmond :

Interesting you should mention it! This particular cockerel does NOT have any white BUT one of the other two (I had considered them culls already b/c of the yellowish legs) has a small amount of white in a couple primaries on one side and a few white spots in the feathering on his feet. I do believe the breeder mentioned that this particular line (originating from Wade Jeane line) has had wheaten show up. What's the significance of this?

What I'm seeing in my culls that there seems to be wheatens mixed with black coppers so you do not get the correct coloring Ruth has a beautiful wheaten roo from her black coppers and like some of us has learned how to spot it so you don't have mixed colors.....if you are just breeding for egg color it doesn't really matter and there isn't a standard in place yet for American Marans just a proposed one. I understand how they were mixed up the wing triangle is about the only way I could tell at first now with pictures from other people I can understand how to spot it..I have roos with yellow legs too and one who now doesn't show yellow on the legs but he did have it and he still has white tail feathers and a brother has a totally red front not breast but even the top of his legs is copper with beautiful yellow shanks....I don't want a perfect bird just one without a DQ I'm thinking like Pink I have one copper splash who is good enough to start with.....it's going to take me 5 years to have any​