Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[Hens and Roos]

If people are interested back in the Cuckoo and White Marans thread there was discussion about the carnation comb and Village Chicken had given some information regarding it- not sure what post number or page

and won't have time to go and look until later this evening.

 

[Hens and Roos]

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Don, Nope! If you breed the carnation expressing hens to Clyde, you WILL get all carnation combs! If they are EXPRESSING the comb, that means the TWO GENES are already there. Breeding a two gene bird x a no gene bird will get you carnations. I plan to take lots of notes, if I live that long. This is going to take me a lot of time and space. After I get done with Clyde, then I will test his brother, Roy. And so it starts all over again!

okay I am confused

, if you have a hen expressing the carnation comb and you breed her to a rooster that shows no expression of the carnation comb, the hen is only giving 1 comb gene and the rooster is only giving 1 comb gene to each offspring so you could have offspring that are carriers or they could express the carnation comb if the rooster is a carrier?

 

[Debbi]

NO! If the bird is expressing the carnation, that is to say, if the bird HAS a carnation comb, it already has the TWO GENES. When breeding this bird with the comb to a carrier, you will get an even UGLIER CARNATION! Almost like a double carnation. This is what I refer to as a "double dose" of the genes. In theory, this offspring now carries THREE copies of the gene! Two from the parent WITH the carnation, and one gene from the CARRIER that does NOT show the comb. Call me crazy, but I have this here! I'll see if can get a pic of a cockerel I call "Muttley" today; he HAS the double dose!! He came from a roo that did NOT show the comb, but had one gene; and his mother HAD a carnation comb.

 

[Debbi]

Ok, here are some pics I already had uploaded. The first TWO PICS are the same bird, "JR". See the Carnation at the back of the comb? He has TWO GENES as he expresses the carnation comb.

NOW, here is "Muttley". This pic was taken in the late summer, and you are not getting the full effect of this comb in the pic. Since this time, this comb has EXPLODED!! See the feather shafting on his breast and back feathers too?? This is the boy from a CARRIER X CARNATION...double dose.

ETA: This boy's comb now looks more like a TREE!! JR's comb is beautiful compared to Muttley's!

 

[snowbird]

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Kim, I wish I had of went ahead with the Marans study to eliminate some of the unknown with the Marans. I would like to see what would happen with a mating if a tested proven clean male was used over a tainted female showing Carnation. I would then put a pullet out of this back with the male and put a cockerel back with the tainted female. I still think where it manifest itself is when we start breeding the off spring back with the original pair.

Something to keep in mind also is that the Carnation has nothing to do with the SPRIG, something else all together.

When the Comb showed up this year in your Marans what were the relations to each other. Why not breed one of the Carnation comb birds to another Variety of Marans you have that the comb has not showed up in.

Wish I could tell you something for sure, I have ideas and wish there was a way to prove them correct or not. There definitely needs to be a study done on this and documented. You will find that most will deny having this problem. I bought one dozen eggs lthis year off ebay and two of the chicks had Carnation comb and were Wheaten.

I wish you luch with this.

 

[pinkchick]

Me thinks it would just be easier to cull all the single combs.

P.S. I am only teasing!!!!!!

 

[Debbi]

Oh Don, I'd be more than happy to send you some carnation combed birds! You can test your theory then!

 

[pinkchick]

Thanks for your insight Don, I appreciate it.

The carnation happened when I brought in those birds from Florida. Prior to, no carnations ever popped up, which tells me that my original birds were carriers and did not show it. Lucky me I intro'd the right bird/s and DING DING DING we got some winners.

These birds should have been related (but would have been REALLY far removed) and in some way were related, but not fully and that's a whole nuther story brother that I won't go into here.

 

[pinkchick]

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Oh...I'm such a proud Chickie Gramma of that JR...............

 

[Debbi]

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Kim, I wish I had of went ahead with the Marans study to eliminate some of the unknown with the Marans. I would like to see what would happen with a mating if a tested proven clean male was used over a tainted female showing Carnation. I would then put a pullet out of this back with the male and put a cockerel back with the tainted female. I still think where it manifest itself is when we start breeding the off spring back with the original pair.
Something to keep in mind also is that the Carnation has nothing to do with the SPRIG, something else all together.

When the Comb showed up this year in your Marans what were the relations to each other. Why not breed one of the Carnation comb birds to another Variety of Marans you have that the comb has not showed up in.

Wish I could tell you something for sure, I have ideas and wish there was a way to prove them correct or not. There definitely needs to be a study done on this and documented. You will find that most will deny having this problem. I bought one dozen eggs lthis year off ebay and two of the chicks had Carnation comb and were Wheaten.

I wish you luch with this.

I can tell you, and save you much time. Breed a CLEAN MALE to a CARNATION COMBED FEMALE = CARNATION COMBED OFFSPRING

If you put one of these back with the clean male, you will have CARNATIONS

If you put a CARNATION MALE BACK WITH CARNATION MOM = DOUBLE DOSE CARNATIONS!

Been there, done that, got the stupid birds to prove it!

Look at the pics above.