It won't hurt to check him out. Call in person, you can get a better feel if you talk to the woman voice to voice. If you don't like him, don't buy him. If you have any misgivings, don't buy him either
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Go and check him out, it does not hurt to take a looky and see. His legs looks pretty good for his age!
And I agree with WC that they are pretty up front and wants the best for the gelding to have a good home. If they dont want you to adopt him, you have nothing to lose and maybe they have another horse out there waiting for you that has not been adversized. If Joe is not the best fit for you, at least you can be in their waiting list for wanting to buy a horse.
If all of their horses are waiting to be sold for butchering at the auction place they went to, I thought we had a law passed that there will be NO horses being sold for butcher.
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Go and check him out, it does not hurt to take a looky and see. His legs looks pretty good for his age!
And I agree with WC that they are pretty up front and wants the best for the gelding to have a good home. If they dont want you to adopt him, you have nothing to lose and maybe they have another horse out there waiting for you that has not been adversized. If Joe is not the best fit for you, at least you can be in their waiting list for wanting to buy a horse.
If all of their horses are waiting to be sold for butchering at the auction place they went to, I thought we had a law passed that there will be NO horses being sold for butcher.
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I'm with you on this. Some more thoughts, and i'm REALLY not trying to be doom and gloom, just give you food for thought. Suppose you adopt a horse from this organization and find that you don't get along with it. You're not allowed to resell or rehome it to anyone for any reason. Will you be out the $700 you spent, or will they offer you an 'exchange'?
I'm with you on this. Some more thoughts, and i'm REALLY not trying to be doom and gloom, just give you food for thought. Suppose you adopt a horse from this organization and find that you don't get along with it. You're not allowed to resell or rehome it to anyone for any reason. Will you be out the $700 you spent, or will they offer you an 'exchange'?
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Not all rescues are unreasonable and bad. Really. Those clauses in their contract are to try to keep dealers from making money by turning around and immediately reselling the horse (usually at a much higher price - called 'pinhooking').
Most of the decent ones have a policy for if you decide you don't like the horse, but they also try to make sure in the first place, that horse and rider are suitable.
When one goes to a place selling horses with a defensive, suspicious attitude in mind, it's going to show bigtime. And one is probably not going to have a good time or walk away with a horse they like....or get the information one needs. Questions are answered an awful lot more informatively if the seller is at ease, and not on the defensive.
The best thing is to go there pleasantly, politely, and behave in a warm and pleasant manner. One can find out what the horse is, and if he's suitable, while being perfectly pleasant.
Most of the decent ones have a policy for if you decide you don't like the horse, but they also try to make sure in the first place, that horse and rider are suitable.
When one goes to a place selling horses with a defensive, suspicious attitude in mind, it's going to show bigtime. And one is probably not going to have a good time or walk away with a horse they like....or get the information one needs. Questions are answered an awful lot more informatively if the seller is at ease, and not on the defensive.
The best thing is to go there pleasantly, politely, and behave in a warm and pleasant manner. One can find out what the horse is, and if he's suitable, while being perfectly pleasant.
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I really have nothing against horse rescues. I understand it's not the most expensive horse there ever was, but in the case of a private sale a buyer can recoup some if not all of their purchase cost. I just want to understand how this would work with an adoption. I want the OP to find a great horse for her.
I really have nothing against horse rescues. I understand it's not the most expensive horse there ever was, but in the case of a private sale a buyer can recoup some if not all of their purchase cost. I just want to understand how this would work with an adoption. I want the OP to find a great horse for her.
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Just because you don't know how their contract works when a horse is returned, doesn't mean they haven't handled that well many times.
how does a person recoup anything when a private sale goes wrong?
Here's what happens. You call them back. You say the horse is not working out. You want to bring it back and you want a refund. Oh, and if they'd pay you for the vet exam too, that would be nice.
Then guess what happens? The seller says, 'too bad', and hangs up, and that's the end of that. You have a horse you don't want and maybe can't sell, and you have no legal recourse. You can't afford to get a lawyer, and the sale was too much to go to small claims court. You dump the horse at a kill auction, and get a few dollars? Or maybe give it to a friend.
The private seller says he already got another horse, and has no free stalls, can't take the horse, besides, you had your chance, why didn't you figure out whether you liked the horse or not before you bought it. Etc, etc etc.
Private sellers very, very rarely will take a horse back, especially a cheap one.
Occasionally, well heeled, well known dealers will let you exchange one horse for another - another that's in their barn at the time, and costs either less or the same as the one you got.
how does a person recoup anything when a private sale goes wrong?
Here's what happens. You call them back. You say the horse is not working out. You want to bring it back and you want a refund. Oh, and if they'd pay you for the vet exam too, that would be nice.
Then guess what happens? The seller says, 'too bad', and hangs up, and that's the end of that. You have a horse you don't want and maybe can't sell, and you have no legal recourse. You can't afford to get a lawyer, and the sale was too much to go to small claims court. You dump the horse at a kill auction, and get a few dollars? Or maybe give it to a friend.
The private seller says he already got another horse, and has no free stalls, can't take the horse, besides, you had your chance, why didn't you figure out whether you liked the horse or not before you bought it. Etc, etc etc.
Private sellers very, very rarely will take a horse back, especially a cheap one.
Occasionally, well heeled, well known dealers will let you exchange one horse for another - another that's in their barn at the time, and costs either less or the same as the one you got.
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No, I have never called a seller asking them to buy their horse back, that is ludicrous. I take my lumps like anyone else. However it is my prerogative to sell (or in this economy try to sell) said animal. However i'll either have the horse or my money, or some of my money. I won't be obliged to give the seller the horse for free and be out 100% of my purchase price with nothing to show for it. As I said I don't know whether this is the case, which is why I asked a perfectly reasonable question.
No, I have never called a seller asking them to buy their horse back, that is ludicrous. I take my lumps like anyone else. However it is my prerogative to sell (or in this economy try to sell) said animal. However i'll either have the horse or my money, or some of my money. I won't be obliged to give the seller the horse for free and be out 100% of my purchase price with nothing to show for it. As I said I don't know whether this is the case, which is why I asked a perfectly reasonable question.
The rescues I've encountered mostly will work with you to trade for a different horse (when a suitable one comes thru), as long as the problem is just an unforseeable lack-of-suitability thing and you've done your best.
At least rescues pretty much always take the horse BACK, if necessary. (as opposed to when you own the horse, when it can be hard or impossible to unload a horse quickly if need should arise)
The only downside to the "cannot resell" clause, IMHO, is that you are prevented from taking the opportunity to take a cheapie horse, train and market it well, and turn it around for a profit. But since few people are realistically going to do this ANYhow, oh well
Pat
At least rescues pretty much always take the horse BACK, if necessary. (as opposed to when you own the horse, when it can be hard or impossible to unload a horse quickly if need should arise)
The only downside to the "cannot resell" clause, IMHO, is that you are prevented from taking the opportunity to take a cheapie horse, train and market it well, and turn it around for a profit. But since few people are realistically going to do this ANYhow, oh well
Pat
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I do not like the contract side of it at all and will probably be the deal breaker as well as the following. I am about4 hours at least from this horse now and I asked for his weight 2 times now and not getting it that is important to me. I am also concerned with the horse being sensitive and grouchy. I do have an arab filly and don't know if there would be problems that worries me. I want them to be able to be together. The feed issues concern me to at this point. I will ask more about that now.
When we got our saint bernard I got the best I could at the time for my money with everything done to her and wanted with no contract. Did not know about the hip testing which if I would of bought one with a contract that would of been done but had other restrictions. So I am not happy about that. She will be hip tested soon she is 11 months now. The limping does seem to be getting better. It was a must for me and my husband for several reasons. When you buy something you want it to be yours and not be told what and how to do with it. I understand why some have contracts and some for the reasons of this organization and some to just control what you do with their blood lines/dogs/horses.
When we got our saint bernard I got the best I could at the time for my money with everything done to her and wanted with no contract. Did not know about the hip testing which if I would of bought one with a contract that would of been done but had other restrictions. So I am not happy about that. She will be hip tested soon she is 11 months now. The limping does seem to be getting better. It was a must for me and my husband for several reasons. When you buy something you want it to be yours and not be told what and how to do with it. I understand why some have contracts and some for the reasons of this organization and some to just control what you do with their blood lines/dogs/horses.
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