My Christmas Present Holderread Calls

[shelleyd2008]

A lot of those look like decoy ducks

Very nice.

 

[CityChicker]

Well, actually, you are not entirely correct, Linda. I have to side with Dutchhollow on this and I certainly don't think they meant to be rude by any means (nor do I). They are not Calls. Only Calls are Calls, LOL. There are several breeds of bantam ducks that are not Calls (of course, your Grays, Blue Fawns, Whites, and Butterscotch in your original post are Calls). The breeds you listed in parenthesis are not all the same breed either, nor are many of them Calls. To clarify:

Australian Spotteds are not Calls.
Miniature Appleyards are not Calls.
Black East Indies are not Calls.
*Not mentioned here, but Overbergs and Silkies are also not Calls.

All of the above are merely other breeds of bantam ducks and there are very distinct differences that separate them from the Calls. As far as the Miniature Appleyard. The Miniature Appleyard is the same thing as the Silver bantam in Europe. They are not the same thing as Silver Calls. Silver Calls from Europe are the same thing as Snowy Calls in the US (color harlequin phase dusky or m^d/m^d, li^h/li^h). In Europe, they do also have a true Miniature Silver Appleyard that is considered a separate breed from the Silver Bantam/Mini Appleyard. Their true Miniature Appleyard is the correct genotype for the Appleyard color (light phase restricted Mallard or m^r/m^r, li/li). This breed does not exist in the United States. What we do have is also the Silver Appleyard Call. The US Silver Appleyard Call, like the true Miniature Appleyard of Europe, is the correct Appleyard genotype.

So, to paraphrase, the following are all separate breeds:

Silver Bantam/US Miniature Appleyard (Miniature Appleyard in US, called Silver Bantam in Europe- color harlequin phase dusky)
True Miniature Appleyard (does not exist in the US- color light phase restricted mallard)
Silver/Snowy Calls (Snowy Call in US, called Silver Call in Europe- color harlequin phase dusky)
Silver Appleyard Call (color light phase restricted mallard)
Snowy Mallards (not mentioned in this post, but also color harlequin phase dusky)

Again, to reiterate... only the birds labeled as Calls are Calls. The rest are simply other bantam breeds. My experience with these birds is that I have raised the bantam breeds for many, many years at this point. I have learned a lot from the Holderreads and have extensively worked with their line of birds, including being one of the first to raise a few of their bantam breeds. I also am continuing their rare color breeding programs in several other varieties, so rest assured this information is correct. (The only area that is different from current Holderread literature is a slight difference in whether Snowy/Silver is dusky based rather than wild-type, but that is not really pertinent to this discussion. I believe, at this time, the vast majority in the US to be dusky based and this should be changed in future editions of the Holderread book).

I hope this helps, and again this is meant to educate not to be rude. I know it is sometimes *very* difficult to correct something on this board without causing drama, so I hope this advice is taken in the spirit it is given.

 

[easttxchick]

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Thanks for the great info, CityChicker-I appreciate learning anything I can about the Calls and their various colors.
Just FYI-your post didn't seem rude at all to me, just very informative.

 

[CityChicker]

Thank you, easttxchick, you posted right as I was typing a short version...

Sorry, I don't mean to write a book here, LOL, but I was trying to think of a way this might be easier to visualize for those that don't want to read the extended version above. This is a break down of the two colors by genotype and the common names for both varieties in the various breeds/versions they come in. As you can see, there is a Miniature, Call, Large Fowl, and Runner version of both colors (and Mallard as well with the Snowy)...

Snowy/Silver color ("harlequin phase dusky", genotype- m^d/m^d, li^h/li^h)
US Mini Appleyard, known as Silver Bantam in Europe
US Snowy Calls, known as Silver Calls in Europe
Snowy Mallards
Silver Welsh Harlequins
Abacot Ranger, non-existent in US
Silber-Wildfarbig Runners (aka Silver Wild Color, Harlequin, or sometimes just Silver)

Silver Appleyard Color ("light phase restricted mallard", genotype-m^r/m^r, li/li)
True Miniature Appleyard of Europe, non-existent in US
Silver Appleyard Calls
Large Fowl Silver Appleyard
Silver Appleyard Runners

 

[dutchhollow]

Thanks city chicker, couldn't have said it as well as you! And I didn't mean to be rude with my first post, just didn't know if the photo's were labeled wrong, or what.

 

[Katy]

I agree that only the calls are call ducks....the others are bantam ducks, but not calls.

Please don't take offense, but are their bills as long as they appear in the pictures? If they are I'd be complaining about the quality to Holderreads.

 

[linda_zeagler31002]

no actually they are not long they are short and they are typy breasted, my husband would walk up behind me rubbing my humped over shoulders at this computer with homework and BYC addiciton,

, and seen the comments when I was reading post, so he seen your comment Katy, he said baby I will be back in a bit I need to run to town and get some screws, I said okay honey, 2 hours passed, he pulled up came walking down our little walk way path to our porch, I said whatcha got in that big Walmart bag there babe, he said it's for you, I said for me, he said yep, I wanted to show you how much I love you and I know how much you love your ducks, and after catching comments, but especially that last one, you need this, I open the bag and OMG a Cannon Power Shot Camera all the accessories the stand, jack cords to computer, makes movies, zooms, the carrying bag, 2 extra memory cards, a lens cleaning kit, a car charging power system, Oh I was estatic, so thanks to all your comments about my ducks and their miscoloring, long bills, and the breeder I purchased them from , it got me a greeeeeeaaaattttt new toy, so Thanks everyone, especially you Katy, thanks, okay later you all I am going to play with my new toy,

 

[Miss Lydia]

gosh there for a minute I thought he'd gone out and bought you some new ducks and had them in the bag..