my rooster has bumblefoot, i wanna know if it's infected one or non infection bumblefoot, if it's non infection what happends if dont treat it?

[FakhirKhan]

so my rooster is 2.5 years old, hes pretty healthy and fine however almost a month ago, i noticed the bumblefoot on both of his leg and searched up on google about it and it got me very worried because it said bumblefoot can grow into chickens bones and body and kills them, which made me get on youtube and watch videos about treating it and i didn't like most of it as it was surgical methods and i am not a expert on surgery stuff and uncomfortable with blood, then i watched non-surgical method videos and bought this stuff from local pharmacy call pyodine, polyhax, cicatrin from local pharmacy and some bandages and i put all 3 stuff i bought and just bandaged his leg and after 4 days i did the same i did it again after 4 days, it's been 8 days since i found out about his bumblefoot so i was thinking i should post it on forum and ask as i knew i am not soaking his water for 10/15 minutes and this is a serious matter, i posted it on r/backyardchickens, there i found out that there are different type of bumblefoot and the one that i read on google that said it grow into chickens bones and kill was about staph infection which causes most bumblefoot but might not be the same case for my rooster as chickens with staph infection can act weak in behavior plus staph infection can be deadly, my rooster is 2.5 years old and i asked my father and he said my sister had already told him about the bumblefoot like a year ago and he said he has seen some rooster that are very old like 5 years old with big bumblefoot and said they lived with it and it didn't kill them which i think what happends to non infection bumblefoot, i think that is the same case for my rooster cause i just noticed it just now and it's very old, if it was staph it should have killed him long time ago and hes pretty active right now, he seems pretty healthy and walk fine too, doesn't walk weirdly/funnily. here is the bumblefoot pictures of my rooster!

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now you may think that his bumblefoot has a kernel, i saw a picture on google and it said 5 stages of bumblefoot in which 4 and 5 had a kernel (i don't know what stage my rooster bumblefoot is on tho), but this is not kernel, it's poop mark, i never cleaned his foot hence it left a mark there, i pulled out the poop from a leg the foot from first 2 left images and it started bleeding so i put those 3 medicines and now instead of poop mark, the medicine left it's mark (brown mark) there hence i left the poop on the other leg as it is as i don't want to bleed, on the reddit post i also got told to do what i was doing, to do the samething every other day instead of long gaps like 4 days (by every other day i mean 1 day gap) with soaking his foot for 15 minutes in a warm water with epsom salt, i don't have epsom salt so i just did it with warm water, after that i put the 3 medicines i bought and used it on his leg and bandaged it and did that after every 1 day gap, when i did the same thing third time, a day had passed and my family started telling me his standing weirdly which i didn't get because i didn't see anything wrong with his leg, my father said we bandaged his leg wrong which twisted his leg (that what he guess) and said he wants to stop doing treating it every other day like before, so i searched it on google and it seems his left leg is a bit tilted and not straight, now i don't know what my father said is right or this is old and we noticed it just now and blame it on ourselves. here a link of him standing: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/154az8501IYoOTXS5kM8WNLffICTMSSNP?usp=sharing it's a google drive folder!
what could be the cause for his left leg being a bit tilted?

on his right leg, between both of his toes, there a bumblefoot, he got 3 bumblefoot on his right leg, one in bottom and both of his toes

it's seems on his right leg the bumblefoot has grown between his toes.. i have stopped the process of soaking his foot and applying medicine on his leg 6 days ago and i am planning to take him to a vet in a month or two but i wanna know if he have infection or not? if he have infection, how much time i got before it becomes harmful and kills him?? if it's not and is non infection bumblefoot, what happend if i leave it as it is and don't treat it? i am taking leaving his leg as it is into consideration because first i am not from a rich family and because of covid we are bad financially so i don't know how much the vet gonna take, plus if i manage to get enough money to treat his leg, i am from pakistan and pakistan is not a good country, it's filled with scams and top of that i live in a bad city in a bad country which makes it 100x worse, i don't know if vets here are experienced or just people who have no idea and opened a vet shop just to earn money which make me worried, third is i need help of my father/my family and hes very lazy, if i find a trustful vet and get the bacteria out, i gotta apply medicine daily and i can get my sister to help me as we both love our rooster but i am only 17 and i don't know how to bandage properly, i am gonna mess up his leg.. and the last thing is the winter gonna start in august and let's say i got his leg treated by a vet on july, it gonna takes a while to heal and right now it's hot as hell but weather takes a sudden turn in my country, in august suddenly one day it will be very hot then the next day it's start being very cold weather and in cold weather wound hurts like hell and if it doesn't get healed before winter, it can be harmful to his wound, that's why i wanna know if i can leave it behind without treating it but i wanna know the side effect of if i don't treat a non infection bumblefoot, my father has seen 5 years old rooster living with large bumblefoot which gotta be old and the bumblefoot hasn't killed him because it's non infection one otherwise the infection one would have killed him already. that's all i wanted to say, i know this post is kind of confusing but i am hoping i can get answers here as my reddit post didn't get much people attention. and if my english sounds bad you know it why, i am from pakistan and it's not my national language, i learned it from movies/shows to begin with.

 

[LaFleche]

Hello @FakhirKhan and welcome to BYC!

One thing that is known to start bumblefoot on chickens is the wrong kind of roost, where the pressure of the bird's weight would press too heavily on the edges of the roost.
And a roost installed at the wrong height will have the bird jump down on the coop floor where with the impact little stones or similar might penetrate into the soft skin of the foot sole.

So, what kind of roost do you have for him?
How heigh up is it installed?
What kind of beddding do you use in the coop and how thick is the layer?

 

[FakhirKhan]

Hello @FakhirKhan and welcome to BYC!

One thing that is known to start bumblefoot on chickens is the wrong kind of roost, where the pressure of the bird's weight would press too heavily on the edges of the roost.
And a roost installed at the wrong height will have the bird jump down on the coop floor where with the impact little stones or similar might penetrate into the soft skin of the foot sole.

So, what kind of roost do you have for him?
How heigh up is it installed?
What kind of beddding do you use in the coop and how thick is the layer?

I don't have roost installed in his coop plus I don't have any kind of bedding either but I put dirts or straw. Not that much tho just a bit, I searched up on Google and it shows they put a lot of them in coop, I should have said it in the post but this is home grown btw not in poultry farm.

 

[LaFleche]

Regarding infection: One foot looks inflamed to me and I would at least keep up giving him a soaking foot bath every day for 15 minutes. Instead of epsom salt you can use salt as it has anti-inflammatory and anti-bacterial properties, which will help to bring the swelling down.

 

[FakhirKhan]

Regarding infection: One foot kooks inflamed to me and I would at least keep up giving him a soaking foot bath every day for 15 minutes. Instead of epsom salt you can use salt as it has anti-inflammatory and anti-bacterial properties, which will help to bring the swelling down.

So not applying medicine and instead only soaking his foot daily in water with Epsom salt will help too? Also which foot kook look inflamed? The one with bumblefoot between toes? Also do you think my rooster has infection or it just a non infection bumblefoot?

 

[LaFleche]

Yes, some people have very good result just giving (epsom) salt baths.

To determine which of his feet might be infected/inflamed you can touch them and compare to the feet of a not affected chicken for temperature differences. An infected foot would feel much warmer and would be rather sensitive/painful to the touch. So observe your rooster's reaction carefully while doing so.

 

[LaFleche]

I don't have roost installed in his coop plus I don't have any kind of bedding either but I put dirts or straw.

So how does he install himself for the night, how does he sleep? On the mostly bare ground?

And what are you feeding him exactly?

Nutrient deficiencies can promote bumblefoot too and prolongate or even impede the healing process.

 

[FakhirKhan]

So how does he install himself for the night, how does he sleep? On the mostly bare ground?

On dirt/straw, I put it every month or so and leave it there, should I put it more? How about I putting a cloth and then bedding it with dirt/straw on top of the cloth which will make it more comfy?

 

[LaFleche]

On dirt/straw, I put it every month or so and leave it there, should I put it more? How about I putting a cloth and then bedding it with dirt/straw on top of the cloth which will make it more comfy?

Can you get some hay instead of straw? It would be much softer to walk and sleep on.

 

[FakhirKhan]

Yes, some people have very good result just giving (epsom) salt baths.

To determine which of his feet might be infected/inflamed you can touch them and compare to the feet of a not affected chicken for temperature differences. An infected foot would feel much warmer and would be rather sensitive/painful to the touch. So observe your rooster's reaction carefully while doing so.

Alright, you say some people have very good result with Epsom salt bath but when I posted on Reddit someone said soak his foot in water for 15 minutes in water then apply medicine, he said soaking the foot in water will help the medicine get through skin much easier, so if there no medicine, even then it's gonna get reduce itself right? If I start soaking his foot in Epsom water daily for 15 minutes I should see a difference in a month?