my rooster has bumblefoot, i wanna know if it's infected one or non infection bumblefoot, if it's non infection what happends if dont treat it?

[FakhirKhan]

so my rooster is 2.5 years old, hes pretty healthy and fine however almost a month ago, i noticed the bumblefoot on both of his leg and searched up on google about it and it got me very worried because it said bumblefoot can grow into chickens bones and body and kills them, which made me get on youtube and watch videos about treating it and i didn't like most of it as it was surgical methods and i am not a expert on surgery stuff and uncomfortable with blood, then i watched non-surgical method videos and bought this stuff from local pharmacy call pyodine, polyhax, cicatrin from local pharmacy and some bandages and i put all 3 stuff i bought and just bandaged his leg and after 4 days i did the same i did it again after 4 days, it's been 8 days since i found out about his bumblefoot so i was thinking i should post it on forum and ask as i knew i am not soaking his water for 10/15 minutes and this is a serious matter, i posted it on r/backyardchickens, there i found out that there are different type of bumblefoot and the one that i read on google that said it grow into chickens bones and kill was about staph infection which causes most bumblefoot but might not be the same case for my rooster as chickens with staph infection can act weak in behavior plus staph infection can be deadly, my rooster is 2.5 years old and i asked my father and he said my sister had already told him about the bumblefoot like a year ago and he said he has seen some rooster that are very old like 5 years old with big bumblefoot and said they lived with it and it didn't kill them which i think what happends to non infection bumblefoot, i think that is the same case for my rooster cause i just noticed it just now and it's very old, if it was staph it should have killed him long time ago and hes pretty active right now, he seems pretty healthy and walk fine too, doesn't walk weirdly/funnily. here is the bumblefoot pictures of my rooster!

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now you may think that his bumblefoot has a kernel, i saw a picture on google and it said 5 stages of bumblefoot in which 4 and 5 had a kernel (i don't know what stage my rooster bumblefoot is on tho), but this is not kernel, it's poop mark, i never cleaned his foot hence it left a mark there, i pulled out the poop from a leg the foot from first 2 left images and it started bleeding so i put those 3 medicines and now instead of poop mark, the medicine left it's mark (brown mark) there hence i left the poop on the other leg as it is as i don't want to bleed, on the reddit post i also got told to do what i was doing, to do the samething every other day instead of long gaps like 4 days (by every other day i mean 1 day gap) with soaking his foot for 15 minutes in a warm water with epsom salt, i don't have epsom salt so i just did it with warm water, after that i put the 3 medicines i bought and used it on his leg and bandaged it and did that after every 1 day gap, when i did the same thing third time, a day had passed and my family started telling me his standing weirdly which i didn't get because i didn't see anything wrong with his leg, my father said we bandaged his leg wrong which twisted his leg (that what he guess) and said he wants to stop doing treating it every other day like before, so i searched it on google and it seems his left leg is a bit tilted and not straight, now i don't know what my father said is right or this is old and we noticed it just now and blame it on ourselves. here a link of him standing: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/154az8501IYoOTXS5kM8WNLffICTMSSNP?usp=sharing it's a google drive folder!
what could be the cause for his left leg being a bit tilted?

on his right leg, between both of his toes, there a bumblefoot, he got 3 bumblefoot on his right leg, one in bottom and both of his toes

it's seems on his right leg the bumblefoot has grown between his toes.. i have stopped the process of soaking his foot and applying medicine on his leg 6 days ago and i am planning to take him to a vet in a month or two but i wanna know if he have infection or not? if he have infection, how much time i got before it becomes harmful and kills him?? if it's not and is non infection bumblefoot, what happend if i leave it as it is and don't treat it? i am taking leaving his leg as it is into consideration because first i am not from a rich family and because of covid we are bad financially so i don't know how much the vet gonna take, plus if i manage to get enough money to treat his leg, i am from pakistan and pakistan is not a good country, it's filled with scams and top of that i live in a bad city in a bad country which makes it 100x worse, i don't know if vets here are experienced or just people who have no idea and opened a vet shop just to earn money which make me worried, third is i need help of my father/my family and hes very lazy, if i find a trustful vet and get the bacteria out, i gotta apply medicine daily and i can get my sister to help me as we both love our rooster but i am only 17 and i don't know how to bandage properly, i am gonna mess up his leg.. and the last thing is the winter gonna start in august and let's say i got his leg treated by a vet on july, it gonna takes a while to heal and right now it's hot as hell but weather takes a sudden turn in my country, in august suddenly one day it will be very hot then the next day it's start being very cold weather and in cold weather wound hurts like hell and if it doesn't get healed before winter, it can be harmful to his wound, that's why i wanna know if i can leave it behind without treating it but i wanna know the side effect of if i don't treat a non infection bumblefoot, my father has seen 5 years old rooster living with large bumblefoot which gotta be old and the bumblefoot hasn't killed him because it's non infection one otherwise the infection one would have killed him already. that's all i wanted to say, i know this post is kind of confusing but i am hoping i can get answers here as my reddit post didn't get much people attention. and if my english sounds bad you know it why, i am from pakistan and it's not my national language, i learned it from movies/shows to begin with.

 

[Cazook]

Yikes.. told my family and they all reacted negatively, telling me how I am over sensitive and other stuff and the thing I been told from here are just false info by over careful people.. my family might not been as good as I thought, not one thing I learned from here that they agreed too. This is just trash. I just want to know how much time I got so I can try to get some money myself to help him.

Eh? No offense to you, but if your family is refusing to either treat or cull sick animals in their care they are pretty much breaking animal cruelty laws (in my country at least). Why do they have the animals if they won't look after them?

BYC is a great resource for learning almost anything you need to know about chickens and other birds. The learning centre (https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/categories/learning-center.11/) has hundreds of articles on almost every topic, including the conditions your rooster may have. Might be helpful to have a read of the articles there as they usually more thoroughly answer any questions, while including helpful pictures and video etc. Bumblefoot articles will be under the heading 'Injuries & Diseases' while the scaly leg mite info will be under the heading 'Pests & Predators'. You may find this helpful.

Like Ebony said, chickens are experts in hiding their pain and discomfort as they are prey animals. Often by the time you even notice something is wrong with a chicken they are in a severely ill state. That's why it's so important to be watchful and examine the flock regularly, to try and nip any conditions in the bud before they become worse. At least the chicken has got you trying to take proper care of it - you just need to arm yourself with the knowledge here and get the treatment sorted. A couple foot baths and some oil is a relatively easy fix when you think about all the other health problems chickens are prone to!

 

[Chicalina]

you won't really know when they are gone exactly, because the raised scales have to fall off (which can take months) and the skin heal and new scales grow. It is only when the new scales grow back nice and flat that you know the mites are gone. By which time you might have a new infestation, or still battling the original one.

The best advice I think, is to do the oil treatment fairly frequently for a few weeks, then just do it once a fortnight as a prevention treatment/to catch any remaining mites.

 

[FakhirKhan]

Eh? No offense to you, but if your family is refusing to either treat or cull sick animals in their care they are pretty much breaking animal cruelty laws (in my country at least). Why do they have the animals if they won't look after them?

BYC is a great resource for learning almost anything you need to know about chickens and other birds. The learning centre (https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/categories/learning-center.11/) has hundreds of articles on almost every topic, including the conditions your rooster may have. Might be helpful to have a read of the articles there as they usually more thoroughly answer any questions, while including helpful pictures and video etc. Bumblefoot articles will be under the heading 'Injuries & Diseases' while the scaly leg mite info will be under the heading 'Pests & Predators'. You may find this helpful.

Like Ebony said, chickens are experts in hiding their pain and discomfort as they are prey animals. Often by the time you even notice something is wrong with a chicken they are in a severely ill state. That's why it's so important to be watchful and examine the flock regularly, to try and nip any conditions in the bud before they become worse. At least the chicken has got you trying to take proper care of it - you just need to arm yourself with the knowledge here and get the treatment sorted. A couple foot baths and some oil is a relatively easy fix when you think about all the other health problems chickens are prone to!

i am from pakistan and this is a very under developed country so there no rules like that, my family buy chicks and grow them because they like doing it but they don't deeply care about it, they are a bit selfish but we are also financially bad and my rooster probably doesn't cost much if i try to sell it and taking care of him gonna take more money so i don't blame them, they probably got angry and biased because i am caring about a rooster at this financially bad moment but i am gonna try to get him the care he need, i hope nothing bad happends to him before i manage to get him some care.

 

[Cazook]

Well, thank you very much for the help, you been a really big help and gave me the answer I was looking forward too, last question, if bumblefoot comes out or pop up, will I need to put medicines and bandage his foot daily?

it might be raw for a few days but if the diseased tissue comes off it will only help the chicken heal faster. best you can do is try to keep it clean if that happens.

 

[FakhirKhan]

If you are lucky enough to have the kernel pop out while or because of his nightly bathing, be sure to give the opening a firm (yet gentle) squeeze, applying pressure from beneath the wound and directing that pressure towards the opening, to ensure that there is no additional pus in the wound. Once this is accomplished, if it is not bleeding then I see no reason to bandage or apply medications. If it is bleeding, then rinse with water to ensure that it is clean, apply pressure with your thumb to cause the bleeding to stop or stop-bleed (a product often found in men's departments at the drug store (pharmacy) in the shaving department). You may choose to apply a bandage, but I usually do not wrap a wound unless it continues to bleed because chickens tend to heal quicker with open air. To bandage or not is your call.

Well I don't have olive oil but my mother bought a small oil bottle couple months ago, it have a cover and which says coconut oil, I don't know if it's a fake or real coconut oil but my mother massaged him with it, I also managed to convince my mother to do that for him and make her believe mites are living in there.

 

[Ebony Rose]

Coconut oil is an excellent substitute for sunflower oil or olive oil. In my country, Panama, coconut oil is too expensive to use for this purpose, which is why I did not suggest it.

 

[Cazook]

Well I don't have olive oil but my mother bought a small oil bottle couple months ago, it have a cover and which says coconut oil, I don't know if it's a fake or real coconut oil but my mother massaged him with it, I also managed to convince my mother to do that for him and make her believe mites are living in there.

any cooking oil should work.

 

[Ebony Rose]

The oil penetrates the scale through the natural cracks and crevices, occupying the space that the mites are living in under the surface of your bird's skin. This forces the mites to vacate the premises or suffocate. Win-win for your flock. Either the mites die, or they go bye-bye.

 

[parvani]

I don't know if you can find Ivermectin in Pakistan, but it is effective against chicken mites. If you have a store that sells medicine for farm animals, look for Ivermectin paste, used to treat horses, cows, and goats. You can also find Ivermectin pour-on, but in this country it's much more expensive than a tube of paste.

Anyway, either kind of Ivermectin can be used to get rid of mites. Rub a thin film of the paste or the pour-on on the chicken's feet. The pour-on can also be rubbed into the skin under the chicken's wings to kill roundworms, lice, and other parasites.