NAIS/Premise ID and buying from hatcheries

[iajewel]

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Probably yes... here is how to get out of NAIS, assuming you are not in a state that voted it in.. ( I use the word "vote" lightly)


Fighting to Stop the National Animal Identification System (NAIS)
How to get OUT of NAIS

Did you register your property with NAIS before you knew what it really was and you've changed your mind? Have you been registered without your permission? USDA has stated that people can request to be removed from the database. They have not made it easy - to our knowledge, only one couple has been removed to date. (Go here to see the confirmation letter to Carol and Calvin Whittaker).

If you want to be removed from the NAIS database, you need to be prepared to follow up and pressure both the state agency and the USDA to get your information out of the database! Please let us know if you send in a letter to them, and what happens.

To remove information on you and your property from the NAIS database, follow the steps outlined below:

Step 1: Find out who is your NAIS state coordinator. Go to http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/contact_us/directories.shtml

Step 2: Write the NAIS State Coordinator. You can use the sample letter below. The Coordinator needs to authorize your request and then forward it to the USDA.

Step 3: Send a copy of your letter to your Congressperson and state legislators. Be sure that the "cc" to your officials is visible on your letter to the State Coordinator, as shown in the sample letter below. This is not required by the USDA, but will probably be helpful in creating political pressure so that they do not ignore your request.

Step 4: Two weeks after you write the NAIS State Coordinator, follow up with a phone call to him. Ask for a copy of the letter that he sent to the USDA. If a letter has not been sent yet, then call your state Representative or Senator and ask them to intervene on your behalf. Make sure you keep a personal record of every phone call you make, the number called, the person(s) you talk to, what you told them, what they told you, and the date and time of the call. Having an accurate record will help you in pressing your case.

Step 5: After the NAIS State Coordinator sends a letter to the USDA, wait one month. Then call the NAIS State Coordinator again to determine the status of your request. If the Coordinator has not heard back from the USDA, call Wayne Molone at the USDA, 301-734-7255. If the USDA has not acted on your request, ask your Congressperson to intervene. Always keep a record of your calls, as recommended in Step 4 above.

Step 6: Please send us copies of all of the letters and keep us posted on what is happening. It is critical that legislators from across the country are aware of people's efforts to get out of NAIS, and we can help spread the word!

SAMPLE LETTER:

Dear _________________

I, ____________________________ understand that my property is listed in the NAIS database as premise number(s) ________________________.

Please permanently remove my name, property, and any information related to me and/or my property from the NAIS database. I am requesting that the information be removed, not simply listed as inactive. This request covers both the state and federal databases.

Please send me a copy of your letter to the USDA authorizing the removal of my information, and send me written confirmation when the process is completed.

Sincerely,

Signature

Name (Print)
Address
Phone Number

Cc: State Representative _______________
State Senator _______________
Congressman _______________

 

[asher]

I'm honestly not sure if I should care...I work for the government so they know everything about me, anyway, from birthmarks to tattoos!

Not sure knowing what animals I have should even make me blink compared to what all I've had to tell them about me.

Something to think about, though.

 

[cjeanean]

Somone who will be doing the testing for me hates NAIS, and I was told that although it puts me in a database ONLY if I sign up for yearly testing, it doesn't sign me up for NAIS. BUT, if NAIS is made mandatory at any point, they will use the info on my NPIP sign up to automatically register me for NAIS....Missouri voted it voluntary, but I don't know if that's gonna change. I want an NPIP certificate so I can ship eggs out of state, but I don't know if I want to sign up for the yearly testing, cause that will put me into the database. Maybe I can get around it by scheduling a test every year as the year comes, rather than having an automatically scheduled appointment.

 

[iajewel]

There are many people in that same boat. I have not registered my Longhorn cattle in 2yrs so Im off the radar when all registries are dumped.. I also don't have sheep or goats, becuse I can't sell them with out scrapies, and I can't have scrapies tests with out having my name in the system. Its hard, but someday it will be over IF enough people stand up for the consitution. Then we can all go back to normal. Sad.. we have to hide our own freedom from our own free country.

 

[iajewel]

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Its not about what they know. Its not about freedom of information or your privet info being dumped into the system. Its about the fact you won't own your property.. it will be a premise owned by a stake holder.. that's a third party who holds said property until such time the rightful owner can be determined. Then your animals aren't yours either, they are part of the National Herd.. you have to report all movement on and off your "premise" and yes.. you will be surveyed by camera and other means.. 24 hours a day.. its in the hand book.. read it..
You can't co-mingle your animals, that means your hens and chicks can't run together.

Its about property rights, and control of our food supply..
It violates over 5 constitutional rights..

So if you care about YOU.. then don't bother.. if you care about the freedom this country was founded on.. BOTHER..

 

[Stimpy]

iajewel
Its not about what they know. Its not about freedom of information or your privet info being dumped into the system. Its about the fact you won't own your property.. it will be a premise owned by a stake holder.. that's a third party who holds said property until such time the rightful owner can be determined. Then your animals aren't yours either, they are part of the National Herd.. you have to report all movement on and off your "premise" and yes.. you will be surveyed by camera and other means.. 24 hours a day.. [b :

its in the hand book[/b].. read it..
You can't co-mingle your animals, that means your hens and chicks can't run together.

Its about property rights, and control of our food supply..
It violates over 5 constitutional rights..

So if you care about YOU.. then don't bother.. if you care about the freedom this country was founded on.. BOTHER..

Where is this handbook?

-Stimp-​

 

[cjeanean]

It's actually on the NAIS website, not an anti-nais site. I don't know if I have the link saved to my favorites, but I started a thread a while back about it and the link's in there...let me see if I can find it and edit it into this post...You pretty much have to read the whole thing, and it's really long...

Here's the link to the thread...
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=44182&p=4

Here's a link within the thread that pretty much puts it all in perspective:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00146.htm

 

[iajewel]

Here is the link
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais

All of the hand books, and users guides etc can be found on the "files" of this yahoo group.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nonaisinia

Also http://www.newswithviews.com/Hannes/doreenA.htm
has many articles that are short and easy to read that give quotes on pages and where to find the info.. that she talks about.

 

[iajewel]

The below article should help explain the basic concept of NAIS for those who are not familure with it.
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All you have to do is register your property with the USDA under the National Animal Identification System. You'll be assigned a seven-character number that stays with the property forever and the USDA "owns" that number according to " A User Guide" which is their latest public document on the program.

The premise id number or PIN will set you solidly in the position of giving up your rights to ownership. How can I say that? Well, words have meaning for a reason. The USDA, in their original documents regarding NAIS, refers to participants as "stakeholders" repeatedly, twenty one times in the Draft Strategic Plan alone. They also use the term "national herd" and tell us that NAIS is necessary to protect the health and marketability of the "national herd". First let's look at the PIN and then at animal identification with official NAIS compliant tags.

The USDA claims to "own" the PIN (page6 A User Guide) and when one is assigned a PIN either through truly volunteering for it or being rolled into it via other disease control programs, it stays with the property forever (Draft Program Standards pg 16-read the whole section on PIN) and the person who owns the property becomes a stakeholder. The definition of stakeholder is as follows:

"The term stakeholder, as traditionally used in the English language in law and notably gambling, is a third party who temporarily holds money or property while its owner is still being determined."

Yep. While it's owner is still being determined. It doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Now let's look at the definition of ownership as a comparison. Wikipedia defines the term as follows:

"Ownership is the state or fact of exclusive possession or control of property, which may be an object, land/real estate, intellectual property or some other kind of property. It is embodied in an ownership right also referred to as title."

So, if you have exclusive possession or control of the property in question, how can you be a stakeholder? Well, you can't be. Either it's your property, or it's someone else's property. With the NAIS, it's not your property once you have a PIN making you a stakeholder and putting you under the jurisdiction of the Area Veterinarian In Charge or AVIC. ("A User Guide" is loaded with 'consult your AVIC' with any questions about anything.)

This brings about some very serious questions regarding not only livestock but also real estate. Since the USDA "owns" the Premise Identification Number (page 6 "A User Guide") and the number can only be 'inactivated' and not expunged or completely annihilated, does it create an encumbrance on property with the PIN? Should that be part of the disclosure on the property? What happens if someone who doesn't want to be in NAIS in any way buys property with a PIN? (You know, since it's "voluntary".) Are they automatically put into the position of stakeholder under the authority of the AVIC? Will the USDA expunge that PIN upon request? According to USDA documents, even though the program is 'voluntary at the Federal level", the PIN stays permanently with the property, not with the person who applied for the PIN. What about the person whose property was assigned a PIN via the roll in procedures that have been employed to increase premise registration numbers using other programs like scrapie and brand registration or participation in the QSA program for cattle? What are the answers to these questions? It sure looks like they will need to be determined in court, as the USDA has no answers available in any of their documents.

Then of course we want to know who owns the "national herd" anyway? It can't be the stakeholder who has been assigned a premise identification number, because the stakeholder is waiting for the rightful owner to be determined, and it can't be the county or the state if this is indeed the National Animal Identification System. When NAIS is in full implementation, all covered animals, 29 species from clams to cattle, will be required to have official identification. Official identification consists of a NAIS compliant number issued with the country code at the beginning. The country code for the United States is 840. It may or may not surprise you to learn that the 840 code covers all financial instruments, like stocks, checks, and bearable securities otherwise known as dollar bills. You can find this beautiful tidbit by searching for ISO-4217. This International Organization of Standards code covers only financial instruments. When I first looked into the 840 country code there was no designation for 840 under the claimed code of ISO-3166 which is a manufacturing standard. There were only two and three character alpha codes, like US and USA, in ISO-3166. The only assignations 6 months ago for "840" were in the ISO-4217 standard which covers financial instruments and a UN assigned country code.

Regulations are already in place making it unlawful to remove or tamper with an official identification device. (User guide page 39) This regulation will lead to fully implemented three component NAIS in the not too distant future. Here's the thing, if you cannot remove an NAIS tag from an animal and the person who sold the animal is a participant in NAIS then the sale of the animal will need to be reported as a high risk activity, and the premise id of the person buying the officially identified animal will have to be recorded, or assigned whichever the case may be, the premise id is not to be expunged only inactivated if animals are no longer held on the property. No rules have been promulgated regarding whether or not official devices must be disclosed as being affixed to the animal at a sale barn, so one could actually purchase an animal with no foreknowledge of it's status as an NAIS compliant animal. However there are plenty of references to participation in the NAIS being built upon the PIN as the foundation of the system. You can't have an NAIS id device on an animal without having a PIN, you can't record 'events' regarding an animal in the NAIS information repositories without having an NAIS identification device on the animal. It's one, two, three, with the foundation of the entire system being premise identification and changing the status of the property holder from owner to stakeholder.

To further substantiate my claims, please look into the case of Mr. Dobbins in the United Kingdom. Some of his numbers on his registered show herd of dairy cattle were not jibing with their passports, so Defra (Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs, the UK's USDA) took all of his cattle passports and confiscated his entire herd giving him 48 hours to positively identify all 576 of his cattle before they destroyed them. He couldn't identify them because Defra had confiscated all of his documents. It's like show me the title to the car, while I have taken the title and hidden it in my house thirty miles away. As an added slap in the face, no indemnity is necessary under EC regulations when animals are not identified in exact compliance with their regulations. The man's entire livelihood was destroyed because not every piece of paper was in the prescribed order.

The USDA doesn't seem to think we can add these things together well enough to see why we have no choice but to resist this scheme with everything we have because they truly believe we are not competent enough to see the correlations between other nation's experiences with these systems and then extrapolate the consequences for ourselves. In the USDA's NAIS How-To-Handbook for their partners in the crime of NAIS implementation, they advise that all messages for potential NAIS stakeholders be designed for a sixth grade reading level. They also give the 'major themes' of those of us opposing the program and state that our arguments all 'fall into a few buckets'. They never do address any of the arguments, and they fail to acknowledge two of the largest arguments of religious objections and Constitutional issues. The Handbook is quite a piece of work and illustrates how "open and transparent" the USDA really is about their desires for the program….After all, they are so open that we had to get a user name with a password to even see the documents they've spent taxpayer money developing to sell this program to people without full disclosure and with no actual cost analysis.

It seems to me that those at the top of the NAIS food chain think that since we trade real labor for fake money to pay fraudulent taxes on stuff we don't own we wouldn't notice just one more affront. It's time to shake off your righteous indignation and ask these officials if they'd like some Boston Tea. ***

By Doreen Hannes
April 22, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

 

[cjeanean]

God, that is such a mouthful. It still blows my mind that they think we're dumb enough, and that some of us really ARE. Just look at the website! How many farmers/livestock pet owners do you think there are in the US??? Only 489,152 premises have been registered. And how long have they been marketing this??? Something's not right if they don't even have half a million.....