Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Buckguy20]

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I would not cross a RIR with anything because I have a neighbor who has them and they are "pickers" They are big red production hens with a not so nice personality.
Now you have one opinion.

Thanks for your opinion. The birds in question are show quality bantam RIR's and are very gentle.
I have a friend that is trying to improve the yellow leg color in her Red NN's.

I sure wish they would approve blue as a color for showing NN's. My best birds are blue.

 

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I totally agree with you about all the points. Your birds in the pictures are outstanding. I wanted to say so earlier. The feather colors are luminescent. The hen glows blue and I love Morts black legs. I wish I could have black skin and black legs to be dominate (without the silkie feathered legs)

 

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I would not cross a RIR with anything because I have a neighbor who has them and they are "pickers" They are big red production hens with a not so nice personality.
Now you have one opinion.

Thanks for your opinion. The birds in question are show quality bantam RIR's and are very gentle.
I have a friend that is trying to improve the yellow leg color in her Red NN's.

I sure wish they would approve blue as a color for showing NN's. My best birds are blue.

I must admit my experience with RIR is limited and of course everyone should make their own choices and I do not know much about genetics but I see that NN are are wonderful breed to play with.

 

[Sooner]

For showing the black leg is only good in the black NN. I have a pretty little guy that doesn't have true yellow legs & was wondering the best way to improve the leg color. My thoughts on the RIR was the body type, leg color & feather color was good.

 

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Oh good now we have a well informed opinion ! Maybe I better go and do something more productive.

 

[Sooner]

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Oh good now we have a well informed opinion ! Maybe I better go and do something more productive.

Not well informed at all, just want to get a conversation going to see what others thought.

 

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Oh good now we have a well informed opinion ! Maybe I better go and do something more productive.

Not well informed at all, just want to get a conversation going to see what others thought.

Yes it is fun to converse here about our birds. We need Kev's input since he has been working with NN for a long time. I have never read the show or APA standard for NN since I have never considered showing. And mostly just learning more because I enjoy my flock and enjoy learning at the same time.

 

[Sooner]

My DD shows in 4H & she likes the NN that we have but this will mostly be a project for myself. Maybe Kev will drop by to give his thoughts.

 

[Kev]

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I would not cross a RIR with anything because I have a neighbor who has them and they are "pickers" They are big red production hens with a not so nice personality.
Now you have one opinion.

Thanks for your opinion. The birds in question are show quality bantam RIR's and are very gentle.
I have a friend that is trying to improve the yellow leg color in her Red NN's.

I sure wish they would approve blue as a color for showing NN's. My best birds are blue.

If that RIR line has good temperament(a problem in some lines, especially some production bred lines for extremely aggressive roosters), type etc. then my guess is it should be good. RIR usually have great yellow legs, plus bring in desirable genes for good red color from the show stock RIR.

Yellow legs are due to 2 main genes- yellow skin plus Id (dermal melanin blocker). Id prevents pigments from being laid down in a specific layer of skin. Result is yellow legs on a yellow skin bird, white legs on a white skin.. If bird does not have Id: yellow skin+ leg pigment= willow legs. White skin + leg pigment= slate legs.

Id is also sex linked, so if you are dealing with blue/willow legs and want yellow it is good to plan mating according to sex and your goal. Example, a willow leg roo over yellow leg hen: only the sons will have yellow legs(but not pure for it- don't know if Id has a dosage effect), all daughters will have willow legs(no Id at all). Yellow leg roo over willow leg hen= all yellow leg daughters, sons yellow legs also but not pure for Id... if you use only the daughters and breed back to a pure Id rooster, the line will be pure for yellow legs from this point on.

Yellow skin is recessive, so slate or white leg birds basically are the least desirable, with yellow legs being the goal. It's possible for white/slate to carry yellow skin, you just don't know unless you know the parentage or it has produced yellow/willow legs before. Better to use willow legs for crossing with yellow leg, this way all birds will be yellow skinned and your only concern from this point on is getting birds with Id.. however it is workable to use white leg birds if none of the other birds have yellow legs, the best way to deal with that situation is to breed a white leg to a willow leg (basically a cross of Id with yellow skin- and hope the white leg happens to be carrying yellow skin)

 

[Buckguy20]

Thanks Kev!

Sooner did you get all of that?

Now get busy breeding those birds.