Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[aoxa]

Kev,

I came here to re-discuss that chick I posted 8 weeks ago (almost 8 weeks). You helped me decide who the potential father could be (at least the breed).



Here's a replay.. This is the chick. Came out of a silkie egg, and I thought that one of my Ameraucana bantams could be the father.. Or a barred rock.. You thought barred rock..

Well now it is 8 weeks, and is a little barred, but not really..



Barred rock still the daddy?



And so this isn't all about a non-naked neck.. Some of my barred NNs that I have left. All 3 are girls

This is Lucy - 10 weeks old. She has a pea comb so confident she will lay a green egg like her mother did.


Lucy again


Here's Joy - 7 weeks (almost 8) she has a single comb, but some strange little beard going on.. hehe


Lucy again.


The last girl - 10 weeks old. Also has a pea comb so god chance of green eggs.



The non-naked neck chick from Brian. Looks very much like his father.


The other non-naked neck with a NN parent (again Brian).

If anyone could tell me gender on the last one I'd appreciate it. Thinking girl, but it is very aggressive like a boy


Here's Phoenix again - Brian's son.

 

[Kev]

Hello! Good to see you around here again, so glad you survived the bad weather.

I like the name ginger splash. She's a splash so all of her offspring will be blue, with some splashes if bred to another blue or splash. (splash is just the 'pure form of blue')

She has a pea comb, it looks different due to being mixed with single- when pea comb is mixed with other comb types their appearence can start to vary quite a bit. Repeated crosses of single to pea can give combs that almost look single but 'not exactly quite right'. One clue of pea comb is the wattles being reduced compared to their single combed siblings.

Birdmaniac3000, that little rooster has an amazing set of head furniture and lovely tail feathers.....his offspring will be a joy to see.

I'm wondering what kind of offspring this little girl will produce?


As we had bright sunlight (probably will be the only day in the year!) the feather colour is a bit 'bleached' in the pic. They are cream to light bluish with an orange/brown border and she has a 'ginger' mullet....hence called "Ginger". Eyes greenish with some black and grey tail splashes.Comb tiny, but appears single. Any ideas?

 

[Kev]

She definitely is- dogs that don't kill poultry are worth their weight in gold already so one that actively protects them are priceless!

Yes it's possible he doesn't have the blue egg gene, but also possible he has it. Confusing I know.

Normally in US stock, blue egg is closely linked with pea... but occasionally the genes will separate from each other with the blue egg hooking up with single comb. It's rare but happens- all of my blue/green eggers are single combed. side note: now that legbars are in US and becoming more common, it's inevitable that single combed colored egg layers will become more common also...

If the blue egg is still linked with pea in *your* flock then this roo does not have it.

Check the combs on his siblings and half siblings- if you see a clear single or rose and she lays blue or green then you have birds with the link between pea and blue egg broken- which means this roo might still have it. If all of them have pea or walnuts(which genetically are rose and pea) then it's back to square one- he might not have it.

Being out of a green or blue egg is no guarantee- if the mother was not pure for blue egg and she was bred with roo without blue egg gene then half of her chicks will not have blue egg genes... half of her daughters will lay brown/tinted despite being out of a blue/green egg.

This roo shows his mother was not pure for pea comb. if your flock still has pea-blue egg tightly linked then she was not pure for blue egg either. Make sense? Same goes for his father- he was not pure for pea comb either.

If you really want to test him, breed with brown/white eggers and see what daughters produce but also if you had single combs pop up in his line and none laid green/blue eggs then it's likely he doesn't have it.

He is still breed-able if green egg is important- breed with green eggers only, and if you decide not to like rose combs, just cull out any obvious rose combs or walnut combs, but it's possible to get walnut combs pure for blue egg gene and it's possible to make combs and wattles small on those.

Thanks Kev! Darby is something special!
Is there any reason to think (because his comb is rose and not pea) that the blue egg gene somehow skipped him? He almost has to carry it --- he hatched from a green egg and his female siblings / half sibs lay green-blue eggs.

 

[Kev]

Thanks for the update and pretty birds!

Wow that's vague. Barring can be strongly affected by other things- it expresses best and clearest on black areas. Blue is a diluter of black so it can really mess with expression of barring and it can be 'worse' if the bird has only one copy of barring. Did she have barring on her first wing feathers? Had to struggle, think I see some evidence of barring on small feathers on her wing and faded/stretched out bars on long saddle feathers going up her tail? I'd have to be undecided right now, ha....

If she stays like this and doesn't show any clearer bars... if she's bred with a black roo, any barred chicks would be the clincher. Might still be able to tell if bred with a barred roo- if some male chicks show a distinct lighter color than the females then that can indicate her being barred with those lighter males being pure barreds.

Kev,

I came here to re-discuss that chick I posted 8 weeks ago (almost 8 weeks). You helped me decide who the potential father could be (at least the breed).



Here's a replay.. This is the chick. Came out of a silkie egg, and I thought that one of my Ameraucana bantams could be the father.. Or a barred rock.. You thought barred rock..

Well now it is 8 weeks, and is a little barred, but not really..



Barred rock still the daddy?

 

[aoxa]

Thanks for the update and pretty birds!

Wow that's vague. Barring can be strongly affected by other things- it expresses best and clearest on black areas. Blue is a diluter of black so it can really mess with expression of barring and it can be 'worse' if the bird has only one copy of barring. Did she have barring on her first wing feathers? Had to struggle, think I see some evidence of barring on small feathers on her wing and faded/stretched out bars on long saddle feathers going up her tail? I'd have to be undecided right now, ha....

If she stays like this and doesn't show any clearer bars... if she's bred with a black roo, any barred chicks would be the clincher. Might still be able to tell if bred with a barred roo- if some male chicks show a distinct lighter color than the females then that can indicate her being barred with those lighter males being pure barreds.

Here she is at 3 weeks old. Yes she had some barring on the first wing feathers.

The options for the father are either a barred rock (saw him mating the hen who laid this egg) it could be a bantam Ameraucana (blue) never saw him mate the hen but it's possible. Brian - unlikely I think, but he has mated her. OR... I have a frizzled rooster that has a beard, but his mother did not..

Other than that - I have no clue.. The faint barring at 3 weeks made me sure you were right, but now it is so vague! Pretty, but Vague!

The comb is strange too. I can't even explain it yet... It's a girl though based on the zero wattles and very peachy comb.



She sure is pretty though, and I find her interesting. She has 5 toes, a light grey skin colour and a very tiny crest. They are still feathering out, so time will tell how much she takes after the silkie in her.

You're still certain on Brian as the father for the other two right? He was the only one I had with dominant white (that was a male anyway)> Does the lack of dark red on the one chick's wings indicate girl? The boy definitely has Brian's red patches.

I did have a bunch of young roosters in with the silkie hen. I did not think they were breeding them though.. It could be possible. They had one copy of the barring gene. I had a wyandotte x barred rock male that could have been the culprit.. I never even thought of that.. I never witnessed them mating anyone. They were 18 weeks when I processed them at the end of December... and these guys were born mid January.. So it could be...

 

[Kev]

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That does the trick- she is definitely barred. That's why I asked about chick feathers, for some reason it shows up in a distinct bar like that.. then fades out as the chick feathers out. Sometimes there will be areas with more distinct barring once the bird is fully mature(after molting).

Her being blue likely further helped with not making bars visible. Genetically barred, just not so much visually is all.

So there was a barred daddy for this one for sure. That wyandotte x was old enough to have fertility. But won't really know as silkies have modified rose/walnut.. had the mother been single combed it would have been easy to decide if the BR or this wyandotte x was the father- this pullet has a rose which would have pointed to wyandotte.

Those white chicks do have dominant white so it has to be Brian. That lighter one does look pullet-ish to me. when dominant white leaks often it's reddish on boys and buffish and lighter on pullets, this is not a strict rule though.

Just noticed your sig- so sorry about that barn fire!

 

[aoxa]

That does the trick- she is definitely barred. That's why I asked about chick feathers, for some reason it shows up in a distinct bar like that.. then fades out as the chick feathers out. Sometimes there will be areas with more distinct barring once the bird is fully mature(after molting).

Her being blue likely further helped with not making bars visible. Genetically barred, just not so much visually is all.

So there was a barred daddy for this one for sure. That wyandotte x was old enough to have fertility. But won't really know as silkies have modified rose/walnut.. had the mother been single combed it would have been easy to decide if the BR or this wyandotte x was the father- this pullet has a rose which would have pointed to wyandotte.

Those white chicks do have dominant white so it has to be Brian. That lighter one does look pullet-ish to me. when dominant white leaks often it's reddish on boys and buffish and lighter on pullets, this is not a strict rule though.

Just noticed your sig- so sorry about that barn fire!

Thank you Kev. Fortunately we have these 12 chicks and one hen that has frost bite so was in the house.

It's all the more important to us to figure out parents. Call it sentimental.

Her mother was blue. Probably the reason it's more muted then? I think it's really unique. There are a few feathers here and there that are barred. Very neat.

Any idea why this one has a bit of a beard? The naked neck - Joy. Her mother did not, and her father did not.





Another case of dominant white expressing. Her mother was also an expression of this, but her grandmother was a RSL and her grandfather a BR (her father was also a BR). Confusing? lol.

I got lucky that only 3 (maybe 4) of all the 12 chicks are boys. The rest are girls. I have a decent foundation even if they are mixed. I still have chicks from my pet birds. My breeding stock had just started laying and were penned before the fire.

 

[bubbastump22]

my first naked neck mix..think its mixed with game or americana..cant tell just yet..anyway saved this one from getting stepped on..and brought it inside.. 2 hours old..but i think its a day early..just opened its eyes for the first time 5 mins ago..

 

[Flowerbh]

my first naked neck mix..think its mixed with game or americana..cant tell just yet..anyway saved this one from getting stepped on..and brought it inside.. 2 hours old..but i think its a day early..just opened its eyes for the first time 5 mins ago..

Really is tiny and oh so cute!

 

[AutumnWinds]

Bubba... way too cute! Congrats!