Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[nicalandia]

I do not think they get fibro from silkie heritage I think it came from Sumatra, but that was before I got them many generations.

OR.. they could also have some heritage from one of the east asian cemani like breeds in anycase they are beautiful

 

[hellbender]

I do not think they get fibro from silkie heritage I think it came from Sumatra, but that was before I got them many generations.

My 'house-chicken' deserves the net exposure...goodness knows he can't stand much of any other types of exposure..

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Heaven help us, they are so cute! Do I see a tiny bit of down on the little sc guys neck.
I thought Sumatra were gypsy-faced but not Fm?

 

[Kassaundra]

OR.. they could also have some heritage from one of the east asian cemani like breeds in anycase they are beautiful

That is very likely considering where the genetics started.

 

[Kassaundra]

My 'house-chicken' deserves the net exposure...goodness knows he can't stand much of any other types of exposure..

 

[Kassaundra]

Heaven help us, they are so cute! Do I see a tiny bit of down on the little sc guys neck.
I thought Sumatra were gypsy-faced but not Fm?

No that is a little dead skin sloughing off. Not sure on that.

 

[stockedkitchen]

These guys are 7 weeks old. The NN are smaller than the silkie. Always have been. I'm got the NN from a SR at a feed store. Does any one think male or female on them? I tried to get longer pin feathers on the wings. I was hoping for females to mate with my silkie roo. The silkie I hatched. They are only a day apart in age.

 

[Kassaundra]

These guys are 7 weeks old. The NN are smaller than the silkie. Always have been. I'm got the NN from a SR at a feed store. Does any one think male or female on them? I tried to get longer pin feathers on the wings. I was hoping for females to mate with my silkie roo. The silkie I hatched. They are only a day apart in age.

My guess so far in the nn is girls

 

[Kev]

Good, I like the rose combs better on Naked Necks.

Yeah! Another fan of rose on NN.

ok, genetic question: I just had a younger lay her first egg. I was expecting blue/green, I got light pink tint. Her mother was an easter egger laying nice green eggs. The dad was a cross between a white leghorn and a crested cream legbar. His sisters all lay blue eggs (as was intented). So I guess I figured he would pass down the blue egg gene. What am I missing? HINT: I don't know much about the genetics....especially if it is a recessive gene. Thanks for any explanation.

The gene for blue/green eggshell is dominant(and not sex linked but both parents can carry it) Basically, the parents of your pullet were both not pure for the blue/green eggshell gene and the pullet by pure luck(?) did not get that gene. The majority of pullets should lay colored eggs so if you have at least 5, should be seeing either blue or green eggs.

The reason the cross rooster had all sisters laying blue eggs is because all chicks got the blue gene from the legbar parent. But none of them are "pure" for the blue egg gene. The EE mother is proven not pure for the gene also by throwing a daughter that doesn't lay blue/green eggs.

He's adorable! Now that could be my house-chicken! We have a big 'lounge room' with flag stone flooring....I doubt he could fly up onto the furniture, tv etc....

I can say for sure they definitely cannot get aloft very well. As for couch, will have to wait until mine are older before answering that one.

Ok, so from what I've seen/read/been told/understand on NN genetics, I'm not going to get clean neck chicks from breeding any of the chicks I've gotten from hatcheries. They've all had either bowties or bibs. I have one hen that appears to have a clean neck but I know she use to have 2 feathers on her neck that more than likely were plucked off. We have a new cockerel that looks like he's going to have a bow tie, 3 feather on each side. One hen with a huge bib and lastly a new pullet that appears to be a clean neck but I'm pretty sure she had a feather or two at some point, I'm pretty sure as a chick she had a fluffy spot...

I don't mind hatchery stock, I just really want clean necks. If I keep ordering NN from different hatcheries, will I ever get a couple? Should I order hatching eggs? I'm pretty sure from what I've read, if I remember correctly, even clean neck to clean neck will only have a % of clean necks?

Do I just need to love the ones I have and get over a couple of extra feathers here and there?

That's the sucky part of breeding- having to deal with 'culls'. If it's too hard to move the culls by whatever means- selling or butchering, it might be best to limit oneself. I was able to do quite a lot of project breeding once I was able to get over killing and butchering them.. the concern over raising so many chicks went away because there was a ready solution for any culls.

It seems to me that chances of total bare necks from hatcheries is extremely low. It happens, but really struggle to remember any true bare necks from hatcheries.. maybe remember 4 or 6 through 10+ years of talking with people or looking at pictures. I never got any bare necks from hatchery stock birds.

If they were born with fuzz on necks, they are genetic bowties. It's same as dog breeds with docked tails. The dogs have short tails, however through all those generations the puppies still are born with tails..... make sense?

On hunting for true bare necks, if you want to keep single combs, it's very important to choose from stock that are single combed(with clean necks being present). It's because the other comb types can have the side effect of reducing or removing the bowtie- for example a genetic small bowtie bird can have the bowtie 'removed' by the presence of the pea comb gene.

So if you use clean necks as direct result of pea comb over singles with the goal of clean necked single combs, you might be defeated from the start.... If you don't care about combs or actually prefer other comb types, any clean necked stock will do but try to confirm by asking about fuzz on chick necks... with pictures if possible.

Heaven help us, they are so cute! Do I see a tiny bit of down on the little sc guys neck.
I thought Sumatra were gypsy-faced but not Fm?

Right, last I read standard calls for gypsy face, normal yellow skin on rest of body. However sometimes I see birds that seem to be Fm from pictures.... I suppose that's one way to make them have good "gypsy face"(it can be difficult to maintain dark faces on roosters sometimes) as long as the body skin isn't looked at....

 

[SlipsWife]

That's the sucky part of breeding- having to deal with 'culls'. If it's too hard to move the culls by whatever means- selling or butchering, it might be best to limit oneself. I was able to do quite a lot of project breeding once I was able to get over killing and butchering them.. the concern over raising so many chicks went away because there was a ready solution for any culls.

It seems to me that chances of total bare necks from hatcheries is extremely low. It happens, but really struggle to remember any true bare necks from hatcheries.. maybe remember 4 or 6 through 10+ years of talking with people or looking at pictures. I never got any bare necks from hatchery stock birds.

If they were born with fuzz on necks, they are genetic bowties. It's same as dog breeds with docked tails. The dogs have short tails, however through all those generations the puppies still are born with tails..... make sense?

On hunting for true bare necks, if you want to keep single combs, it's very important to choose from stock that are single combed(with clean necks being present). It's because the other comb types can have the side effect of reducing or removing the bowtie- for example a genetic small bowtie bird can have the bowtie 'removed' by the presence of the pea comb gene.

So if you use clean necks as direct result of pea comb over singles with the goal of clean necked single combs, you might be defeated from the start.... If you don't care about combs or actually prefer other comb types, any clean necked stock will do but try to confirm by asking about fuzz on chick necks... with pictures if possible.

Thank you! I do need to work on being able to process our own birds. We have a few EE cockerels that we will be processing if no one buys them. Someone did buy my favorite so it should be a little easier.

Not that I would have been able to pick him out of a post process line up anyways...

I'm not to worried about combs since apparently the only person around here I have to please is myself.

It might be easier to sell a cleaned neck cross that lays colored eggs, maybe people will look past the neck and just look at the eggs. I'm glad that our hens have started laying larger eggs. Their pullet eggs were very small. I can't find the site that has the turken hatching eggs I was wanting to order!