Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[ochochicas]

Quote: As far as I know, the hen was a pea combed Easter Egger/Turken. She was a very pretty black and white - almost like a wyandotte. The egg he hatched from was dark green, but not quite dark enough to be olive. I also hatched some Wheaten Marans eggs from the same farm. The pullets have lightly feathered legs and look similar to Wheaten Marans. The cockerels have heavily feathered legs and were mostly black with white heads and saddle feathers. About half the chicks had 5 toes. I think the heavy leg feathering came from the Faverolles even if the chicks didn't inherit the 5th toe. The Marans looking chicks don't have very many feathers on their shanks. I do hope my Turken is an olive since that is what I'm breeding for. I have no way to explain how my chicks came out the way they did based on who the parents were supposed to be. From now on I will hopefully just hatch my own eggs and I'll know what to expect. LOL

 

[Kev]

Faverolles have huge beards... it's a dominant gene so if the ones with five toes also have beards, then that's a good guess. Your roo doesn't show any trace of beard... sometimes the NN can remove all traces of beard but that's rare, usually they have what looks like side burns or have the side burns with traces of the beard, almost like a chin strap allowed to grow long.

One more thing- salmon faverolles are silver. So a faverolles roo bred with a b/w hen should produce roos with very clean white hackles/saddles. your boy seems to show a fair bit of gold in his cap and saddles? That's a strong hint of a red/gold bird bred with a silver. That and above, I wouldn't rule out the wheaten Marans cross idea.

Did you keep any of the wheaten Maran looking pullets? If they don't have beards and prove to lay brown eggs within the range of Maran egg color, they would be great pullets for that roo to breed with for olive eggs.

 

[ochochicas]

Faverolles have huge beards... it's a dominant gene so if the ones with five toes also have beards, then that's a good guess. Your roo doesn't show any trace of beard... sometimes the NN can remove all traces of beard but that's rare, usually they have what looks like side burns or have the side burns with traces of the beard, almost like a chin strap allowed to grow long.

One more thing- salmon faverolles are silver. So a faverolles roo bred with a b/w hen should produce roos with very clean white hackles/saddles. your boy seems to show a fair bit of gold in his cap and saddles? That's a strong hint of a red/gold bird bred with a silver. That and above, I wouldn't rule out the wheaten Marans cross idea.

Did you keep any of the wheaten Maran looking pullets? If they don't have beards and prove to lay brown eggs within the range of Maran egg color, they would be great pullets for that roo to breed with for olive eggs.

I sold all the 5-toed pullets to a neighbor. They do have huge beards, except for one which is totally beardless and has no cheek puffs. I kept one of the Marans looking pullets. I don't know if I want to breed her to the Turken since they are potentially related. I do have a bunch of Ameraucana babies I will keep to breed to the turken. I might also cross the Marans with the Turken. Can't wait to see what color eggs they come up with. It will be a while though...LOL

 

[Pyxis]

couple more Q's,  are the chicks white with random crisp black dots 'anywhere on the body'  or are they penguin marked with a very considerable amount of white?

It is normal for mottleds to get whiter as they age.  In fact it's this reason there are separate lines of mottles for show...  those that have perfect mottle as pullets/cockerels...  and a separate line for adult hen/cocks.   The pullet/cockerel lines get the right amount when young but as they mature the mottles get too big for show standard....  the hen/cock lines either barely have any or the mottles are too few/small when young.

I'm asking you so many questions because I'm surprised by that chick.. don't know enough to make good guesses.. am wondering if you may have exchequer(which would be very, very nice! and good true exchequers are very uncommon in any breed) or the look may be due to dominant white- that is why I am asking about chick down and if there are any birds that turn out solid white or white with very few colored feathers.

The chicks are white with random black dots, not penguin marked. I have some younger ones I can take pictures of if that would help any. Generally the more black they are showing at hatch, the faster they get the black in, or that's what I've noticed so far. That one there hatched white with a black splotch on its back and back of the head, and its wing feathers came in mostly white with one or two black and then the others came in like this. Its hatchmate, however, hatched all white with just a black dot on the head. All its wing feathers came in white, and it got its black slower, but now it looks almost exactly like that one, only a bit more white. I'm seeing the same thing happen in the two younger ones I have too. Let me see if I can dig up pictures of the parents. I didn't create this color; I just happened to spot them and loved them and ordered eggs from the breeder who, I think, may have created it, so I have no clue where the color first came from. So far I haven't hatched any all white chicks. All of them have black eventually. In fact, the original parents that I don't own, and those I can post pictures of if that would help, had way more black than I liked, so I've been trying for a bit more white. So far, I think I'm succeeding.

Maransfarmer, I do hope to have extra eggs in the spring

 

[Kev]

I sold all the 5-toed pullets to a neighbor. They do have huge beards, except for one which is totally beardless and has no cheek puffs. I kept one of the Marans looking pullets. I don't know if I want to breed her to the Turken since they are potentially related. I do have a bunch of Ameraucana babies I will keep to breed to the turken. I might also cross the Marans with the Turken. Can't wait to see what color eggs they come up with. It will be a while though...LOL

I'd recommend breeding him with the Marans, as this is most likely to give some of the eggs you seem to be looking for.

One-time and partial related mating is not bad at all. In fact it's often a necessity for recessive genes- all lavenders and recessive whites are results of related pairings somewhere in their near or far ancestry..

Anyways you're gonna breed beautiful NN's for sure, including colors and patterns not exactly common in NN.

 

[Kev]

The chicks are white with random black dots, not penguin marked. I have some younger ones I can take pictures of if that would help any. Generally the more black they are showing at hatch, the faster they get the black in, or that's what I've noticed so far. That one there hatched white with a black splotch on its back and back of the head, and its wing feathers came in mostly white with one or two black and then the others came in like this. Its hatchmate, however, hatched all white with just a black dot on the head. All its wing feathers came in white, and it got its black slower, but now it looks almost exactly like that one, only a bit more white. I'm seeing the same thing happen in the two younger ones I have too. Let me see if I can dig up pictures of the parents. I didn't create this color; I just happened to spot them and loved them and ordered eggs from the breeder who, I think, may have created it, so I have no clue where the color first came from. So far I haven't hatched any all white chicks. All of them have black eventually. In fact, the original parents that I don't own, and those I can post pictures of if that would help, had way more black than I liked, so I've been trying for a bit more white. So far, I think I'm succeeding.

Maransfarmer, I do hope to have extra eggs in the spring

Pretty cool! Are you more or less aiming for the Exchequer pattern? I love this pattern!

Would love any pics but no pressure at all.. others would love seeing the pictures and I'd love to see them to maybe figure out what's going on with your cool birds.

 

[maranfarmer563]

Kev, I have a white rooster I crossed on a brown hen,I got all cuckoos barred rock looking. If I cross them back to their father would I get white this year? Also if I crossed brother and sisters would they breed true,cuckoo

 

[Kev]

Kev, I have a white rooster I crossed on a brown hen,I got all cuckoos barred rock looking. If I cross them back to their father would I get white this year? Also if I crossed brother and sisters would they breed true,cuckoo

Sounds like he has recessive white with cuckoo hidden under that white. If that's the case, then yes his daughters bred to him will give you half whites.

You can cross brother/sister but few of the roos will be pure cuckoo. The better bet would be breeding daughters back to the father- half of the non-white boys would be pure cuckoo. btw doing brother/sister you will get half non-cuckoo pullets.

Cuckoo is sex linked so all cuckoo hens are 'pure' for it by default, only boys can be pure or not pure for cuckoo. The pure ones are much lighter with more white bars and the black ground color is usually a lighter shade.

btw the reason for throwing cuckoo in whites is because it helps clean up leg color to either solid yellow or white legs. Don't be too surprised if the brother/sister or daughter/father pairing throws other colors such as mottle- also helps with clearing legs. Cuckoo plus mottle strongly clears the legs even better than each by themselves.

 

[maranfarmer563]

Thanks,I was trying to make white partridge,do you think it's even possible

 

[Kev]

Thanks,I was trying to make white partridge,do you think it's even possible

What do you mean by that? Genetic partridge with recessive white covering it up or...?