Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

I agree, which is why I had to pull some of my cockerels out of their "brooder" pen. One of the boys is so naughty I'm thinking about putting him in the coop with the big, mean hens so they can teach him a lesson.

Unfortunately a handful of my cockerels are part of my Marek's vaccine experiment so I need to keep them until they are 6 months old. At least they are on the small side (they aren't Turkens) so they don't take up that much room.

Haha! Or put him in bachelor pen.

Good luck with the experiment.

 

[Kev]

Now I know the secret!

All the old timers know this. Do some hands on experience..........

 

[Kev]

The chick should be a pullet (has a Silkie dad and she has black skin) and the hen is one of my very good green egg layers (with light skin and yellow legs). If she lays green eggs, I'll be quite happy with her. The silvery chick has dark skin but not quite as dark as the black one I don't think. Once they mature, I'll know whether the dark skin/lighter skin sexing works on this cross. It should work on the NN when crossed with the Silkie rooster too because they have nice yellow legs and light skin.

Oh yeah the hen has Id(yellow legs) so this should work as sex linked cross.. Usually the cockerels have either normal or very close to normal looking skin- normal skin with patches of gray or black.. or normal skin but you can see the black pigmenation on some internal organs- best seen on NN chicks though... so there's a chance the silvery one is a pullet. the dark skin varies quite considerably... not sure why and seems nobody really knows.

p.s. just in case- there is rather widespread information that the black skin is sex linked, it is not. Id is a sex linked gene that clears skin of pigment, causing yellow or white legs.. it affects the black skin so using a dark skin over a yellow or white legged hen will seem to give sex linked results as for skin but it's actually the Id gene doing that. Bred with green or blue legged hens, both pullets and cockerels would come up with dark skin....

 

[DesertChic]

Here, they're separated only if the boys are bothering the girls.

I like to breed for roosters that are not so forceful- courting the hens etc. The ones that just grab the girls whenever they feel like it usually are culled.. unless there was an exceptional something about him for breeding later or is placed with older, in lay hens then he's culled after.

It's so much nicer to see a flock where the hens are either actively following the rooster or they are not worried if he passes by. The breeding usually happens only when the hens squat first. Bothers me to see terrorized hens.

It is true though, that many rough cockerels calm down a lot once they have some maturity in them though..

This is my method as well. I currently have a 16-week old mixed flock of Barred Rocks, smooth and frizzled Easter Eggers, Silkies and Silkie mixes, and my mystery cockerel. I had to pull all but three of the boys out of the pen because they've become so bothersome to the females. The ones that behave with more courtship behavior than aggressiveness towards the girls are still with them. I actually find that a courteous young cockerel seems to make the girls feel safer even when they're safely penned up, and the whole flock seems friendlier and more relaxed. And once they're large enough to free-range the cockerels and pullets stick together as a more cohesive unit and look out for one another. Any of the more aggressive boys possessing traits I think i may like for a breeding project are permitted to grow out more so I can see if they calm down. If they don't I'm more likely to invite them to dinner. I don't like aggression towards humans or hens...especially since I have so many boys to choose from for my girls.

 

[Sierra987]

Oh yeah the hen has Id(yellow legs) so this should work as sex linked cross..  Usually the cockerels have either normal or very close to normal looking skin- normal skin with patches of gray or black..  or normal skin but you can see the black pigmenation on some internal organs- best seen on NN chicks though...  so there's a chance the silvery one is a pullet.  the dark skin varies quite considerably...  not sure why and seems nobody really knows.

p.s. just in case- there is rather widespread information that the black skin is sex linked, it is not.  Id is a sex linked gene that clears skin of pigment, causing yellow or white legs.. it affects the black skin so using a dark skin over a yellow or white legged hen will seem to give sex linked results as for skin but it's actually the Id gene doing that.     Bred with green or blue legged hens, both pullets and cockerels would come up with dark skin....

Thank you for that very nice summary. I had to read thru quite a few threads to figure it out from bits and pieces.

 

[Kev]

This is my method as well. I currently have a 16-week old mixed flock of Barred Rocks, smooth and frizzled Easter Eggers, Silkies and Silkie mixes, and my mystery cockerel. I had to pull all but three of the boys out of the pen because they've become so bothersome to the females. The ones that behave with more courtship behavior than aggressiveness towards the girls are still with them. I actually find that a courteous young cockerel seems to make the girls feel safer even when they're safely penned up, and the whole flock seems friendlier and more relaxed. And once they're large enough to free-range the cockerels and pullets stick together as a more cohesive unit and look out for one another. Any of the more aggressive boys possessing traits I think i may like for a breeding project are permitted to grow out more so I can see if they calm down. If they don't I'm more likely to invite them to dinner. I don't like aggression towards humans or hens...especially since I have so many boys to choose from for my girls.

Yes! That's what I see with the gentlemen roosters and their harem. Pretty much all my chickens are permanently confined, but there is one pen with a very gentlemanly rooster and 5 hens that are occasionally let out. The hens always stay within 5-8 feet of him. When he starts walking to a new spot, the hen bunch up closer and follow him then spread out a little bit once he pauses at a spot. It's fascinating to see. That does not happen with roosters that either don't court much or are "grabbers".

 

[Kev]

Thank you for that very nice summary. I had to read thru quite a few threads to figure it out from bits and pieces.

You're welcome. Looking forward to your black skin NN project next year!

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Well, the next time anyone has an issue with an aggressive rooster, you can now feel confident that your medical record and coding will be very clear on the matter. The new ICD10 codes are extremely specific, and include the following different codes for a visit to a health care provider (there are also ones for geese, ducks, turkeys, parrots, macaws... Interestingly, for geese and ducks, it's "bitten", not "pecked"):

Contact with birds (domestic) (wild) W61- >
(Includes contact with excreta of birds)
W61 Contact with birds (domestic) (wild)
W61.3 Contact with chicken
W61.32 Struck by chicken
W61.32XA …… initial encounter
W61.32XD …… subsequent encounter
W61.32XS …… sequela
W61.33 Pecked by chicken
W61.33XA …… initial encounter
W61.33XD …… subsequent encounter
W61.33XS …… sequela
W61.39 Other contact with chicken
W61.39XA …… initial encounter
W61.39XD …… subsequent encounter
W61.39XS …… sequela

And here are some of the more absurd ones:

http://www.healthcaredive.com/news/the-16-most-absurd-icd-10-codes/285737/

(My favorites are "Y93.D: V91.07XD: Burn due to water-skis on fire, subsequent encounter" and "97.33XD: Sucked into jet engine, subsequent encounter.")

- Ant Farm (still giggling over these...)

 

[Sierra987]

Well, the next time anyone has an issue with an aggressive rooster, you can now feel confident that your medical record and coding will be very clear on the matter. The new ICD10 codes are extremely specific, and include the following different codes for a visit to a health care provider (there are also ones for geese, ducks, turkeys, parrots, macaws... Interestingly, for geese and ducks, it's "bitten", not "pecked"):

Contact with birds (domestic) (wild) W61- >
(Includes contact with excreta of birds)
W61 Contact with birds (domestic) (wild)
W61.3 Contact with chicken
W61.32 Struck by chicken
W61.32XA …… initial encounter
W61.32XD …… subsequent encounter
W61.32XS …… sequela
W61.33 Pecked by chicken
W61.33XA …… initial encounter
W61.33XD …… subsequent encounter
W61.33XS …… sequela
W61.39 Other contact with chicken
W61.39XA …… initial encounter
W61.39XD …… subsequent encounter
W61.39XS …… sequela

And here are some of the more absurd ones:

[COLOR=800080]http://www.healthcaredive.com/news/the-16-most-absurd-icd-10-codes/285737/[/COLOR]

(My favorites are "Y93.D: V91.07XD: Burn due to water-skis on fire, subsequent encounter​" and "97.33XD: Sucked into jet engine, subsequent encounter.")

- Ant Farm (still giggling over these...)

LOL!! I knew ICD10 was supposed to be more specific but since I don't deal with it directly I hadn't actually seen examples of the codes.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

LOL!! I knew ICD10 was supposed to be more specific but since I don't deal with it directly I hadn't actually seen examples of the codes.

Microbiology/infection of bird bites came up on a work listserv of mine today, and someone posted the entire list of bird attack options. Completely hysterical...

- Ant Farm