Need some advice on Java's

[zazouse]

I feel ya i have problems loading and posting all the time, try late or in the morning thats what i do

 

[Lil Zoo]

I'll do that it just locks up saying please wait.

 

[peafowlmom]

Yes you have to watch out for spaldings. A spalding is a cross between a green peafowl and an India blue peafowl. These hybrids are fertile. They make it hard to find pure green peafowl because what happens is you have some people who don't know what they have exactly so they will call it a green peafowl when really it is a spalding. Spaldings tend to be more of a greenish blue color. Some have slight scaled neck feathers and will tend to be a bit larger than a blue and taller, also they might have yellow on their face and a tight crest on their head.

I am pretty busy now to add some new peafowl, but I still really want some green peafowl. I am thinking that I want the Indo-Chinese green. There are at least three green subspecies. The Java is the most popular but not all green peafowl are Javas...Another problem...Mixing all the different subspecies. Javanese, Indo-Chinese, and Burmese greens all have their own look. Javas are the most popular probably because they are most brilliant. I like the Indo-Chinese because even though they are second brilliant, they tend to have more of a golden look to their feathers which is just very beautiful to me. The Burmese are the least brilliant.

I want greens so badly but I also want some pure ones that meet all of what I am looking for. It has taken me a long time to figure out just what I would look for in some green peafowl...Height is a big thing to look for...They will be very tall, more slender looking then blues, not much blue shine at all except around the head, a very tight crest (although some of the hens will have crests not that tight, that is okay), a peahen must be very colorful. I have seen some websites with a photo of one of their 'green peahens'. You could tell by all the plain brown all over her that she was a spalding. A true green peahen will have some green feathers in her tail and will be very close in color to the male.

Anyways I guess I have been rather crazy about green peafowl for a while now so I could go on and on...Here is some good stuff to look at:

Here is a good overview about getting yourself into keeping green peafowl:
http://www.hopkinslivestock.com/Pavo Muticus Article.htm

For some photos of all three varieties look here and click on green peafowl:
http://www.pavo-muticus-muticus.de/english/index.html

Here is another website with great info on green peafowl. Click on the green peafowl images to find more about them and see a photo gallery:
http://www.pfauenfarm.de/Home-English/Our-Peafowl/our-peafowl.html

Oh and you may have noticed that both of these places are not in the US. There are some great green peafowl breeders in Europe and in other places and some of the best green peafowl here in the US are imported from overseas or are the product of some imports. Those birds are by far my favorites.

Here is an article talking about determining if a green is pure or not:
http://www.pavo-muticus.com/english/among-breeders/artenvergleich.html

Here is how to tell the difference between a green peacock and a green peahen:
http://www.galliform.es/home/information/green-peacock-or-peahen

This is about green peafowl husbandry:
http://www.galliform.es/home/information/green-peafowl-husbandry

This shows how to identify hybrid peafowl AKA Spaldings:
http://www.galliform.es/home/information/identifying-hybrid-peafowl



Those are some of my favorite links but I have more if you want to see other sites with pictures and things.

Some green peacocks are said to be mean, but that is mainly durring the breeding season. I think as long as when they are chicks you don't cuddle with them too much you should be fine. I know what you mean about flighty peachicks. When they get older and you get them out into a larger pen they should calm down and should probably start to see you as being okay. It is definately not recomended to free range green peafowl because they can range so much further than blues and can be more flighty but some people have done it before. I mainly think they raised them up from chicks though. Green peafowl are endangered so it makes it even more special to breed them and keep them. I just think they are so beautiful. Some may be spooky though. From what I have read it seems a lot of people have some greens that are tame just like their blues but some are very flighty and spooky. I guess their personality varies. I hope you all got some good greens.

Oh and I would love to see photos of your greens! I can never see too many photos of peafowl, let alone green peafowl!

jeez I finally read these links, it has been a little hectic. Thank you so much for your research. I can't imagine how long it would have taken me to collect this info. I am gonna go with pure breeding, no Spaldings for me. Have a GREAT DAY.

 

[zazouse]

I'll do that it just locks up saying please wait.

When it does that to me i hit the back button then hit it foward again and it will release the photo i just tried to put in the message and i can add another, also when it show y message is it submitted but never seems to go threw i can open another tab and find that it has been posted but just never goes threw on my origional post. if i hit submit again it will post again but still not show it has gone threw.
i thought this was because of my computer at first but it seems to happpen to quite a few people here.

 

[Lil Zoo]

Had to install updated Flash, if this works. Ok, here is the pictures of the 2 peachicks 3+ weeks old a nice gentleman gave to my G-daughter. The bigger one has developed rust colored flight feathers. Hope you can see the flecks of green. Can experts tell are they Javas? I'm sorry they looked pretty ruffled but they just don't like human contact. I moved them to the trailer house today.

 

[MinxFox]

I don't have green peafowl so I am not someone who knows about them from owning them, so don't take my thoughts as exactly right but I think your chicks look good. When they get older you will really be able to tell if they are pure or not but for now they have some good signs...Green peachicks will be darker than India blue chicks, and those chicks are dark. They also have those tight crests. India blue peachicks will have tight crests a little bit but it will go away but those look like pretty good crests. The fourth photo also looks like the peachick perhaps has more of a triangle shaped head rather then a rounded head. Green peafowl tend to have more of the triangle shaped head. I couldn't find photos of green peachicks at the stage yours are in but here is a photo of some Javas at four months of age: http://www.pfauenfarm.de/Home-Engli.../Album-Breeding-PM11/album-breeding-pm11.html They sure are pretty even at four months!

Here is some info on a indoor building for green peafowl:
http://www.pfauenfarm.de/Home-English/The-Peafowl/Husbandry-PM/Cot-PM/cot-pm.html

Here is also a link for an aviary for them:
http://www.pfauenfarm.de/Home-English/The-Peafowl/Husbandry-PM/Aviary-PM/aviary-pm.html

 

[Lil Zoo]

Thank you Minxfox. The crests are diffinately different from the IB babies, they look more thicker strand almost like plastic thin sticks standing straight up. They are close to the same age as the IB's, but they are a lot bigger. Those 4 month olds look like all legs, it's hard to believe they will change that much that fast. I am not as happy with their temperment but they are one beautiful bird. I just can't believe a fellow would just give my g-daughter such expensive birds. They were moved in the other trailer last night. I figured I would find them huddled in a corner when I went to check but they seem so much happier with more room. They stood across the room and craned their necks looking at me. I plugged in a heat lamp as they are still pretty young. It sounds like some people get along raising them in the north, maybe we'll give it a try.

 

[MinxFox]

Well good luck with them! Keep on taking photos of them so we can see their progress as they get more beautiful!

 

[leo7]

Hello,
under this link here it is a special muticus forum you can find some pictures from pure Java greens

http://www.pavo-muticus-forum.com/pavo-muticus-forum.htm

 

[Lil Zoo]

Well good luck with them! Keep on taking photos of them so we can see their progress as they get more beautiful!

I will I'm quite curious myself about them. Never intended to have any greens just because they are expensive and sounds like easier to raise in the south. Spook is the big one and Jav the smaller one. I just got a new IB was going to call him Duce but he is re named Pecky Pecky. I hold him and he continuelly pecks me. I am not so patient waiting for two more to come out. I keep telling myself they aren't due till tomorrow. I'm am so so mad. My cheap incubator has to go. Pecky got his head in the little fan that circulates the air, it drew blood. How dumb of manufacturer not to put something over this so this didn't happen. I put some antibiotic salve on it and although didn't want to take him out of his warm incubator yet have moved him to the brooder.