Newtown, Conn School Shooting

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This is just so awful. I think its time that America banned owning guns now. This just happens time and time again - America has the highest rate of school shootings in the WORLD!

Why does America have these shootings, and also the highest rates of child abuse in the world? America prison population also dwarfs that of other counties? Why? America is also the most Christian country in the world - yet with all the prayers and godliness it seems to have the most problems with morals and society.

this is nothing to do with devils or God, its about society - and someone in government needs to be brave and start making radical changes for the better if these shootings are to stop - I am sorry to say sitting about praying and giving out sympathy is not going to sort out these problems.


While I understand the reaction to blame gun and gun owners, I don't think a gun ban is desirable or even possible.

Impossible to totally ban guns without knowing who has them and removing them. There's no way to know this so there is no way to remove guns purchased before gun control laws tracked who purchased them. You could stop all new gun sales and there would still be millions of guns in the U.S.

Seems odd to me that this is a rather new phenomenon. 50-60 years ago, this wouldn't have occurred. Yet our mental health knowledge and treatment of 50-60 years ago was not nearly as advanced as the treatments and medications of today. These people are certainly mentally ill but our improved treatments are not only not working, things seem to be getting worse.

A horrible tragedy. Prayers going to all persons impacted by this terrible act.

We need the right to protect ourselves from nuts like this. If guns are banned then only the bad guys will have guns. Unfortunately that principle didn't have a gun or this could have ended much differently. We need armed guards at our schools. There was a shooting at my daughters school a few years back and it's a very scary feeling. My heart and prayers go out to those who lost a child.
Banning guns is not the answer. Armed security... That I can see. We have armed security in schools here in my town. I think the American prision population arguement if crap. I am all for excuting violent offenders. My brother is a violent offender. He won't see the outside for 40 years. I personally say put a bullet in his head. I am a Christian, and the bible I read gives very clear directions for dealing with rapists and murderers. ( I know, it also gives some very serious directions on other crimes...) But take those proven offenders out, our prison pop would dramatically be reduced. I don't believe in second chances for child rapist, murderers, rapists of women and men... They are evil. Plain and simple. No need to evaluate their mental state. Nor do I see a need to continue to house them and feed them and provide them better medical care than a lot of poverty stricken families get.

Our country unfortunately glorifies movies of extreme and unbelievable violence towards others. Those movies and games are protected under the freedom of speech laws. Parents let their kids watch these things, play those games. Movies like the Saw series... I have never seen it. I will not see it, now will I let my kids see it. That is needless advertisement of violence. Glorified violence for no reason. There was no reason for it, there is no reason for it. People do those horrendous things to each other because they can. There is no moral to any of this.

Morals are not being taught to our children clearly.We have become such a consumer driven society that both parents are having to work in order to pay bills, keep up with the Joneses... Our children are going off to day care facilities, homes, etc... and for 8-9 hours out of their day, they are being raised by some one else who may not be raising the kids, or teaching them anything. Just keeping them busy, entertained, until their parents come and get them. Go into the store, you will see parents at their wits ends because their kids are out of control, screaming their heads off. They try and discipline their kid, they get dirty looks and snears. They don't discipline, they get dirty looks and snears. The snears come from both sides. The ones that think children need to be free to express themselves, and the snears from the parents who have their children under control. SO, which way do these parents go?

We can pray. I think prayer is a very good thing. We can continue to dope our kids through medications and chemically processed food and water starting at a very early age which directly influences their brain development... And continue to desensitize them with violent movies and videogames with first person shooter action where you are shooting people, not monsters or aliens... Continue to be a consumer driven country. Drugging up a kid because they are hyper as heck from the food additives and being locked in the house cuz mom and dad are just to darn tired to go to a park and let them run it off.

I think having the govt come in and make radical changes, you are asking for a whole new bag of trouble. Already we have politicians who are bought out by this group or that. They are not in it for you. They are in if for them. Look at laws that have passed even with a public uproar. Taxes that get passed and we don't even know. Little special interest bills stuck in the middle of important bills just so you'll get this group of politicians to sign on... More govt is not the answer. Taking away my right to protect my family from someone on a spree of evil enjoyment is not the answer.

Taking action is necessary. I think if the govt stopped using our tax dollars like personal pay days, and put our tax dollars to work arming the schools with security guards, stopped OKing food additives that have shown to have adverse affects on developing brains (Hey parents... look up what flouride really does... and city people drink it everyday), stop vaccinating children at 2 months old and on with vaccines that still use mercury as a base .. look up what evidence there is that it also changes how a brain develops and the increases of autism and mental illness in the last 70 years, and continues to be getting worse every decade. Stop medicating kids to keep them calm or help them function more NORMALLY, when the side affects can be "changes in personality, violent outbursts, suicidal behaviors...(BTW, yes they are still using mercury based vaccines, and Bush didn't feel the need to pass a bill that would stop it's usage, and parents are willingly dumping these into their kids bodies because a doctor said so).

Looking at the picture of the young man who commited this atrosity, he is vacant... Look at him... there is no soul manning the ship. He had it out for his mother, and he had it out for the kids that took his mother away from him... I am just sorry that he offed himself and he will never tell us why he had to kill those children...

Anyway.. this isn't about guns, it isn't about mental disorders, it is about our society as a whole being shocked to heck and back that these things are happening here in our country, when all you have to do is really take a step back and evaluate how far our country has come and how fast it is falling. All great countries rise, become powerful off the backs of its citizens, and then fall when they forget history. Egypt, Greece, Italy...
 
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This is just so awful.  I think its time that America banned owning guns now.  This just happens time and time again - America has the highest rate of school shootings in the WORLD! 

Why does America have these shootings, and also the highest rates of child abuse in the world?  America prison population also dwarfs that of other counties?  Why?  America is also the most Christian country in the world - yet with all the prayers and godliness it seems to have the most problems with morals and society. 

this is nothing to do with devils or God, its about society - and someone in government needs to be brave and start making radical changes for the better if these shootings are to stop - I am sorry to say sitting about praying and giving out sympathy is not going to sort out these problems.



While I understand the reaction to blame gun and gun owners, I don't think a gun ban is desirable or even possible.

Impossible to totally ban guns without knowing who has them and removing them.  There's no way to know this so there is no way to remove guns purchased before gun control laws tracked who purchased them. You could stop all new gun sales and there would still be millions of guns in the U.S.   

Seems odd to me that this is a rather new phenomenon. 50-60 years ago, this wouldn't have occurred. Yet our mental health knowledge and treatment of 50-60 years ago was not nearly as advanced as the treatments and medications of today. These people are certainly mentally ill but our improved treatments are not only not working, things seem to be getting worse. 

A horrible tragedy. Prayers going to all persons impacted by this terrible act.  


We need the right to protect ourselves from nuts like this. If guns are banned then only the bad guys will have guns. Unfortunately that principle didn't have a gun or this could have ended much differently. We need armed guards at our schools. There was a shooting at my daughters school a few years back and it's a very scary feeling. My heart and prayers go out to those who lost a child.

Banning guns is not the answer. Armed security... That I can see. We have armed security in schools here in my town. I think the American prision population arguement if crap. I am all for excuting violent offenders. My brother is a violent offender. He won't see the outside for 40 years. I personally say put a bullet in his head. I am a Christian, and the bible I read gives very clear directions for dealing with rapists and murderers. ( I know, it also gives some very serious directions on other crimes...) But take those proven offenders out, our prison pop would dramatically be reduced. I don't believe in second chances for child rapist, murderers, rapists of women and men... They are evil. Plain and simple. No need to evaluate their mental state. Nor do I see a need to continue to house them and feed them and provide them better medical care than a lot of poverty stricken families get.

Our country unfortunately glorifies movies of extreme and unbelievable violence towards others. Those movies and games are protected under the freedom of speech laws. Parents let their kids watch these things, play those games. Movies like the Saw series... I have never seen it. I will not see it, now will I let my kids see it. That is needless advertisement of violence. Glorified violence for no reason. There was no reason for it, there is no reason for it. People do those horrendous things to each other because they can. There is no moral to any of this.

Morals are not being taught to our children clearly.We have become such a consumer driven society that both parents are having to work in order to pay bills, keep up with the Joneses... Our children are going off to day care facilities, homes, etc... and for 8-9 hours out of their day, they are being raised by some one else who may not be raising the kids, or teaching them anything. Just keeping them busy, entertained, until their parents come and get them. Go into the store, you will see parents at their wits ends because their kids are out of control, screaming their heads off. They try and discipline their kid, they get dirty looks and snears. They don't discipline, they get dirty looks and snears. The snears come from both sides. The ones that think children need to be free to express themselves, and the snears from the parents who have their children under control. SO, which way do these parents go?

We can pray. I think prayer is a very good thing. We can continue to dope our kids through medications and chemically processed food and water starting at a very early age which directly influences their brain development... And continue to desensitize them with violent movies and videogames with first person shooter action where you are shooting people, not monsters or aliens... Continue to be a consumer driven country. Drugging up a kid because they are hyper as heck from the food additives and being locked in the house cuz mom and dad are just to darn tired to go to a park and let them run it off.

I think having the govt come in and make radical changes, you are asking for a whole new bag of trouble. Already we have politicians who are bought out by this group or that. They are not in it for you. They are in if for them. Look at laws that have passed even with a public uproar. Taxes that get passed and we don't even know. Little special interest bills stuck in the middle of important bills just so you'll get this group of politicians to sign on... More govt is not the answer. Taking away my right to protect my family from someone on a spree of evil enjoyment is not the answer.

Taking action is necessary. I think if the govt stopped using our tax dollars like personal pay days, and put our tax dollars to work arming the schools with security guards, stopped OKing food additives that have shown to have adverse affects on developing brains (Hey parents... look up what flouride really does... and city people drink it everyday), stop vaccinating children at 2 months old and on with vaccines that still use mercury as a base .. look up what evidence there is that it also changes how a brain develops and the increases of autism and mental illness in the last 70 years, and continues to be getting worse every decade. Stop medicating kids to keep them calm or help them function more NORMALLY, when the side affects can be "changes in personality, violent outbursts, suicidal behaviors...(BTW, yes they are still using mercury based vaccines, and Bush didn't feel the need to pass a bill that would stop it's usage, and parents are willingly dumping these into their kids bodies because a doctor said so).

Looking at the picture of the young man who commited this atrosity, he is vacant... Look at him... there is no soul manning the ship. He had it out for his mother, and he had it out for the kids that took his mother away from him... I am just sorry that he offed himself and he will never tell us why he had to kill those children...

Anyway.. this isn't about guns, it isn't about mental disorders, it is about our society as a whole being shocked to heck and back that these things are happening here in our country, when all you have to do is really take a step back and evaluate how far our country has come and how fast it is falling. All great countries rise, become powerful off the backs of its citizens, and then fall when they forget history. Egypt, Greece, Italy...

Superb comment! Just superb! Agreed 10000%
My family does not yet have a gun (my dad works so that mom can stay home) but we are getting one. We don't allow movies over PG (PG-13 in special cases, like Lord Of The Rings, for us oldest kids) and we don't allow first-person shooter games. My parents discipline us when we need it, but dont just walk around slapping us or anything. We might be a very big family, but people are constantly shocked at how well-behaved, polite, and neat we are. We love each other, talk to each other like peers, not like were better than anyone else. We go to church as a family every week. We're proof you don't need public school, both parents working, daycare, dope, or endless TV to make kids behave. :)
 
I agree with you jak2002003. Reducing access must help. I have never seen a handgun in my life except on television/films. I don't know anyone who has ever owned one. I wouldn't know where to get one if I wanted one. This tragedy makes the argument more eloquently than any of our words.
 
I am not American. I can not understand why American people love to have guns so much. They are dangerous weapons used for killing.



But see that is why people are getting riled up about about gun control, America was founded on the right to say what you want and defend your self when you feel threatened among other things and with out them the society today may have never came to be. Just like how Christians get all riled up when people say god is nonsense. It is because the foundation of what made the society what it is today is being threatened A house can't stand with out a foundation or divided
 
Yes, it goes back to the colonial days and the fight for Independance.

Quote "Having been oppressed by a professional army, the founding fathers of the United States had no use for establishing one of their own. Instead, they decided that an armed citizenry makes the best army of all. General George Washington created regulation for the aforementioned "well-regulated militia," which would consist of every able-bodied man in the country." Describes it best of all....
 
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If this child did not have guns they he would not be able to shoot all those people

School shootings happen - with guns.

As I stated America has the most school shootings in the WORLD.

Are you saying that we should let all the school kids have guns to defend themselves?

Common sense tell me that to reduce SHOOTINGS we need to reduce the number of GUNS.

I am from the UK where guns are banned. Only people who are registered can own a gun, and its very difficult to meet the criteria needed to own one. Also there are strict conditions that come with owning a gun.

Gun crime is very low here as a result.

Also I can not reason with people who are saying its the devil possessing people to kill people. That is just crazy. If you want to use that as an excuse then why does not god possess them to stop them doing it. how can god allow those innocent children to die for no reason? really people need to start using their brains here.

And yet your violent crime rate is worse than South Africa.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

And mind you, the U.S. violent crime rate is skewed upwards by high-control, high-crime areas like Illinois, New York, and California. We don't even make the top ten most violent even with those areas. You're out of your mind if you think that your country is safer. Here, we're allowed to defend ourselves. We seceded from your country for a reason. In fact, when we decided to start shooting your soldiers, the militia - which played a huge role - utilized its members' privately-owned firearms in defense of freedom.

Allowing teachers to carry is completely logical, nobody on this thread has advocated arming little kids. Nice straw man, though.
 
I would actually like to see gun education classes offered at an early age. I am very glad I learned how to respect and properly use guns at a young age, and that was done through my school first, then parents.
 
Some of the phsychologist pundants are linking these tragedies to the entitlement culture... I'm not sure what to think about that.
 
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