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[arockkid]

Also, just think it's pretty awesome that this discussion is going on here....when I found this site over winter after deicding to get chickens, I never thought I'd be putting all this personal info on here and have such positive response. Can you guys please all move to Buffalo?

 

[kstaven]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

And BTW, we need to remember to thank the moderators for allowing this and working to keep it this way!!!

We aren't working to keep this thread open at all. Believe me when I say there are no special favors, and this thread due to its polarizing nature and as everyone knows controversial potential is very much on the radar. It is the nature of the participants involved and level headed discussion that have allowed this thread to stay open to this point.​

 

[welsummerchicks]

Thanks for that information!!!

Especially about the pet peeve, I think people say such things so automatically, without even thinking how it would affect a parent. I wonder if some of that doesn't come from trying too hard to say something nice? I know if in a situation I don't understand very well, I get kind of anxious to say something nice and actually wind up...let's just say....it doesn't come out right.

What I found amazing was that though fewer would be seen as intersex, 1% of newborns show some level of anatomical variation, one percent is huge. That's a LOT. Amazing. The un-talked about reality.

 

[mulewagon]

http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/gendertest/gendertest.html

This is a very interesting site that lets you try to determine the gender of athletes competing as female. It walks you through the tests and considerations that a gender tester would use. There's a lot of information about development and so on.

The first example is a person with the organs of a female, who thinks she's a female, but has XY chromosomes. It really opens your eyes on the media scandals about "men" competing as "women" - apparently there are people who could be defined as "men" without knowing it, so there's no intention of fraud.

(And I'm getting inclined to always use quotes around "men" and "women", because it seems like sometimes it's just an opinion anyway

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[Dunkopf]

That's very interesting. Maybe in the future they will separate athletic competition based upon chromosomes vs sexual organs. Wow! That would really be controversial.

 

[EweSheep]

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I don't see that happening at all LOL!

 

[Dunkopf]

Well I still think we should have all been made with both sexual organs inside and out. Then you could marry whoever you wanted to and it would make relations a lot more interesting. We could do away with all the official titles denoting sex. Everyone could use the same bathroom.

It sounds like for the most part there is no real determining factor anyway. At least you would have the proper equipment to take you whichever way you wanted to go. Be prepared and all that.

 

[EweSheep]

Shared bathrooms....well there are unisex bathrooms for parents. I don't see a problem anyone using it.

 

[welsummerchicks]

Well, it may also call into question the entire assumption that men have some huge advantage in every single sport in the whole wide world.

In equestrian and a lot of other sports, the answer is, that they simply don't. This has been proven by years and years of - results. Women ride with men in competitions and they beat them all the time. And not because the horse is doing the work - that's a - well - that's a very old superstition, but it's not true. Both horse and rider have to be very athletic.

There are some sports where men have an advantage, but with equal conditioning and training time, the advantage is less than 10%. The TIMES are less than 10% different.

With equal MUSCLE MASS - the difference in a lot of sports is - zero.

What I actually think will happen, is that some scientific criteria (better than what we have now) will be designated as a 'threshold' and sports where it makes a difference, will have that as a criteria. Hopefully the athletes will be educated about how gender is determined and will agree on a method to use.

AND I think a good many sports will go the way of holding open competitions and gender divided competitions, and the athletes will choose whether they want to go in open or gender competition.

 

[Boyd]

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Um, some of the clubs in detroit have unisex bathrooms, both guys n gals in the facilities at the same time.