Yes you are right in a few details. This male was pictured in may 2018, so he had 2 month until his second birthday. But it was in his second year. This male is imperator out of the studbook stock PMI-TN Germany. It was send to the breeder together with another male in august 2016. That year the breeding farm send out many july-bred-chickens for 150.- Euros each to different locations. It had no ring because it was much to small to wear it. It was marked with 2 plastic rings different color, from what the breeder was told, they would grown on wider with the leg, and what not happened. The plastic rings where covered with meat at the legs and had to be removed by an operation in november 2016. That is the story. It is a pure descendant from the imperator bloodlines of the studbook breeding.
We all are common with your flood of careful selected pictures. If something appears in a forum you always post many of your pictures what should show - your birds are the most beautiful in the world. But that is not fact. The picture of this female with white feather variations shows an original bird of the PMI - TN program. I posted this picture to show, that not all birds from this bloodlines are top and pure. This bird shows epistasis, a genetic phenomenon that appears, when the genetic of the subspecies is unpure - so mixed. It appears easily at females in the 3rd year of age, while they get adult. Harder on males, but this happens too. You may have beautiful imperator birds in that breeding program, but not all. There are mixed subspecies too. You may answer now, that all birds come from wilderness of Thailand and are not mixed with other caged birds, but - in Thailand hundreds of caged birds in socalled "royal breeding stations" where let free, or escaped. And in that stations muticus, imperator and spicifer subspecies where mixed for years. No one can rely on the pureness of caged birds in Thailand, not in zoos and not in these royal breeding stations. The pure thai imperator, what appears in central Thailand until today, does not look like your presented breeding stock.
And another thing disturbes me - the beautiful imperator are NOT the most colorful and brilliant subspecies among the green peafowl. This is definitely the Pavo muticus muticus from Java and Malaysia. You can not change facts that many prominent scientists based after years of investigation and science with a few selected pictures of your birds. Imperator are beautiful, but Pavo muticus muticus are by far much more shiny and colorful.
Dear Jaques,
somebody told you not the truth!
If this male is breed in 2016 it can be for 100% not an Offspring from this female, because this female is from 2015 and this means impossible to get any egg from her in 2016!
Another thing is 90% of the males are fertilize earliest with 3 years this means 2018. As you can see here is something wrong!
Second I always wrote that my birds are coming from the north of Thailand (Golden Triangle). It is true there is a small difference compared to the population which is located in the middle of Thailand.
I don’t change any facts from scientists. I just once mentioned that they are more colourful than the most birds of muticus muticus which we have here in Europe in our breeding stocks.
Never then less you are invited to visit me to see that my birds are looking as shown on the pictures and that the picutres are not photoshopped.
White feathers are a common problem within our captive breeding stocks. It has nothing to do with pureness.
I had a long exchange of experiences with a breeder who has also a veterinarian background. We know that green peafowl are having the generic disposition to get white feather, when they kept in captivity. This is something which you can see in captive population of wild turkeys too. It is a metabolism problem which have different reasons:
Based on my observation and the observation of this breeder we could see the following main reasons for it:
- Laying much more eggs (in wild max. two clutches)
- Higher stress level in our aviaries, because it is not normal to be so closed 24h to an adult male
- Vermin like coccidiosis. The ground in our aviaries are much more contaminated than in wild
- Not balanced and optimal feed
You can have females which having white feathers and after they are at another place or after the next moulting they have no white feathers anymore. This cannot be genetic issue. Think about what I wrote and if you like we can have a closer discussion about it.
Now my last question, how are doing the import birds which you got in 2012 & 2013 from me? I never heard anything from you since long time.
Regards
Reinhold
