Ohio Issue 2

[mstricer]

No kidding. They are trying to say we will be unsafe. I think the issue will protect us even more, public employees will no longer be able to strike. If they strike how safe are we? If teachers go on strike, are our children learning? If a teachers pay is based on performance, don't you think our children will do better in school, teachers would find their passion for teaching again.

 

[AhBee01]

This is why I don't like to vote, they confuse the hell out of you to vote a certain way, and then make you feel like you chose the wrong way to vote. I truly believe on the issues that are on Ohio's ballots, your darn if you do and darn if you don't.I believe there is no win win on these issues.

 

[FarmerJamie]

Two weeks ago, at a family get-together, we had to call a truce, since we have folks who are state employees, teachers, etc, and private sector employees.

I remember pre-union days for public sector workers. Yes, the wages and benefits were lower, but you more or less had job security. Then post-union, you kept the job security, got better benefits, and guaranteed pay raises - and anyone challenging that got the mud thrown at them. At the same time, those of us in the private sector have gone from job to job, via layoffs or moving up/down, and basically took career risks to move ahead.

Pre-SB 5, the State handled the collection of union dues and then wrote the unions a big check in one shot. Does anyone think the union bosses want the employees to have to write them a check every month?

Deerman, yes, its up for a vote, but there are so many half-truths being flung about the real issues are muddled. In my own corner of the world, the nonsense being thrown around is crazy. I tried to read the SB 5 bill, but couldn't get through it all. People I've talked to have only gotten their union-supplied talking points sheet for their facts.

 

[Goose and Fig]

What makes some people think public employees don't deserve a good job or fair wages? You should get to decide who is worthy and who isn't?
These are the people that are teaching your children and keeping you safe. They are your mothers, brothers and sisters and friends. They aren't millionaires. They are supporting their families just like you are. What a shame. I can't believe anybody would even admit to being for SB5.

 

[FarmerJamie]

And I'm not a millionaire either, yet I pay more of my paycheck for benefits for less than they get, plus my taxes paying for them.

Sorry, no one forced them to take the jobs, they made the choice for their career. I have plenty of family in public jobs, including 4 teachers in my extended family - they knew what they were getting into. I can give plenty of examples of poor employees that can't be fired because of the current system, employees that would be gone in a Texas minute in the private sector for that level of performance.

If we can change the rules around how the employees are managed so as to get rid of the "dead weight", I would have no problem paying more for what would be an improved product. This isn't an emotional issue about "children" or "safety", this is the reality of a system that doesn't work and is on track to financially bankrupt Ohio.

 

[mstricer]

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Well said!!!!!

 

[deerman]

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Good point........


I'm not trying to stop State employees from making a living........but we all have been hit by this recession, let them deal with it like the rest of use, have to do. crazy they are getting raises..great retirement and medical benefits, or they are going to STRIKE......thats bull . myself i don't thing they should have the right to strike........and yes my DIL works for the County, and my Son and her ,and me are not on the same side......

Dead weight......yes just watch some State workers one working 3 watching almost 90% of the time. reason they have to contrac most work out.

You don't see that with the contracters.....

 

[FarmerJamie]

I meant "New York minute"

 

[deerman]

Xenia school planning on a strike Thursday........waiting to see how the vote goes tomorrow.......lol.

Why are they plan on a strike . plan on have other people to do some of the support work.....why because its cheaper.





YES ON 2 TOMORROW............

 

[mstricer]

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What a shame, what about the kids??? I bet their are at least 10 or more young teachers out there without a job, and with more passion for teaching then most tenured teachers there with no passion only worried about whether or not they will have the right to strike. I'm up for the whole "performance pay and job security thing" Get rid of those who don't want to teach our kids. Those who are crooked cops. I work for a union and hate it, I work with people that have been there 20 or more years then me and are still making as much as I do, how fair is that. Pay raises across the board for all, these people have more experience and are able to do the job better, but yet because there is a union there a new employee after 1 year will be making the same amount as him and myself. Unions stink. Hope ours is voted out.


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