Why do my links only work when they're copied and pasted?!
oil spill rant
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Why do my links only work when they're copied and pasted?
I sure don't know. Copy and paste did not work for me last night but worked great this morning. I don't understand what little I know about computers.
Hay to absorb the oil. Interesting idea. It might even work. Could we look at it just a bit?
Is there sufficient hay available to make a difference? I'm sure there is plenty available. Using a lot of it for this might run the price up a bit, which could translate to some higher costs at the store, but I doubt it would make a significant difference. In the total volume of hay normally harvested in a year, this would probably not be noticed. Most farmers I know continue to bail hay after they have enough to get them through the winter, to keep the obnoxious weeds and brush from getting a foothold in their fields, to get a bit of a cushion against years like a couple of years ago where drought in some regions really hurt the harvest, and maybe to sell. So good marks for availability.
Deployment? There is no doubt that there are plenty of 18 wheel flatbeds available to get hay to the Gulf Coast. There is lots of dock space to unload it and plenty of available workers to handle it. There are lots of boats and workers available to take it out and spread it, especially if you are talking about the smaller square bales that a person can handle. The big round bales require machinery to handle. I'd expect you don't want to put bales in the water but need them broken up. It is going to be a lot more efficient at soaking up the oil if it is loose than if it is in tight bales. I would not want to put baling wire or twine in the water which would be a hazard to navigation. That stuff will wrap around propellers and do serious damage. The floating bales themselves would be a serious hazard to navigation, especially to a smaller boat. You'd have to work out the logistics, maybe by breaking the bales up on the beach and loading out loose hay, but I think deployment is not a big problem. It can be managed.
Effectiveness? The example used burned oil in a controlled environment with lots of mixing. It certainly looked very effective. The waves offshore are often long slow rollers that don't really do a great job of mixing, but I'd expect the wave action to do the job. The oil floating out there has different properties than the burned oil. A lot of the lighter components have already evaporated. You really want a lot more to evaporate as fast as possible. Would this slow the evaporation, thus prolonging the problem? What will cause the most long term damage is the heavier tarry type components. How effective would hay be in absorbing those? I think you would really need to test it on the stuff you are trying to absorb to know how effective it would really be before you put a lot of it out there. I have some questions marks left on this. I'd think in some circumstances it would help but maybe not in all.
Recovery? Once the hay has absorbed the oil, how do you recover it? They mentioned if it comes ashore, just pick it up off the beach. Maybe on a pure sandy beach it would not be too hard to recover it, but anybody that has been through the Louisiana marsh should realize it is not the same. I've fished those marshes. I do not see any way possible to get oil filled hay out of them once it makes its way in. And storms would blow it in. OK, recover it offshore. How? What machinery exists that can handle this, especially in quantities that would be effective? The hay would clog conventional skimmers, rendering them unusable or at least less effective. Design and build new equipment that can handle the floating hay? It took Higgins a while to build the boats for General Eisenhower. Large quantities did not come off the assembly line overnight. I'm not saying you could not build enough in time to be effective, but I do have some serious questions about this. The floating hay would be a hazard to the water intake the vessels use for engine cooling. How much of the fleet would actually be able to work in the area after you deploy the hay? The wave action that would mix the oil and hay so it can absorb the oil would also spread some of the hay out to where you would never recover it all. I think it gets pretty poor marks for recovery. Maybe one reason they are using hair in panty hose is that it can be both deployed and recovered without making the situation worse.
Short and long term effects? What are they? Putting that much hay in the water increases hazards to navigation. How much does that limit your effectiveness in battling this and what effects does that have on other shipping? Would the wave action cause some of it to clump up to where you have a solid mass waiting for a boat to hit it at speed? Id think that it would tend to spread out, but maybe certain types of hay would form clumps in the wave action? Does Mother Nature recover faster if the oil is left floating or if it is absorbed in the hay, whether in the Louisiana marshes, on the Alabama beaches, or floating offshore? Might be different answers for different circumstances. Does adding that much biomass deplete the oxygen in the water, creating even more of am oxygen-depleted dead zone? What do you do with all that oil soaked hay? With conventional skimming, you can dump the water back in the gulf and recover the oil. You are not left with a huge volume of hazardous residue. They mentioned burning for energy, but there are logistics that have to be dealt with and potential contamination issues just due to storage and handling. Will the hay really float forever or will it eventually get waterlogged and sink? Is that good or bad?
I'm not an expert. I don't know the answers to a lot of these questions. I don't know all the questions to ask. Maybe good solutions can be developed. I do know you do need to think these things through before you jump in and do something that just makes the problem worse.
I sure don't know. Copy and paste did not work for me last night but worked great this morning. I don't understand what little I know about computers.
Hay to absorb the oil. Interesting idea. It might even work. Could we look at it just a bit?
Is there sufficient hay available to make a difference? I'm sure there is plenty available. Using a lot of it for this might run the price up a bit, which could translate to some higher costs at the store, but I doubt it would make a significant difference. In the total volume of hay normally harvested in a year, this would probably not be noticed. Most farmers I know continue to bail hay after they have enough to get them through the winter, to keep the obnoxious weeds and brush from getting a foothold in their fields, to get a bit of a cushion against years like a couple of years ago where drought in some regions really hurt the harvest, and maybe to sell. So good marks for availability.
Deployment? There is no doubt that there are plenty of 18 wheel flatbeds available to get hay to the Gulf Coast. There is lots of dock space to unload it and plenty of available workers to handle it. There are lots of boats and workers available to take it out and spread it, especially if you are talking about the smaller square bales that a person can handle. The big round bales require machinery to handle. I'd expect you don't want to put bales in the water but need them broken up. It is going to be a lot more efficient at soaking up the oil if it is loose than if it is in tight bales. I would not want to put baling wire or twine in the water which would be a hazard to navigation. That stuff will wrap around propellers and do serious damage. The floating bales themselves would be a serious hazard to navigation, especially to a smaller boat. You'd have to work out the logistics, maybe by breaking the bales up on the beach and loading out loose hay, but I think deployment is not a big problem. It can be managed.
Effectiveness? The example used burned oil in a controlled environment with lots of mixing. It certainly looked very effective. The waves offshore are often long slow rollers that don't really do a great job of mixing, but I'd expect the wave action to do the job. The oil floating out there has different properties than the burned oil. A lot of the lighter components have already evaporated. You really want a lot more to evaporate as fast as possible. Would this slow the evaporation, thus prolonging the problem? What will cause the most long term damage is the heavier tarry type components. How effective would hay be in absorbing those? I think you would really need to test it on the stuff you are trying to absorb to know how effective it would really be before you put a lot of it out there. I have some questions marks left on this. I'd think in some circumstances it would help but maybe not in all.
Recovery? Once the hay has absorbed the oil, how do you recover it? They mentioned if it comes ashore, just pick it up off the beach. Maybe on a pure sandy beach it would not be too hard to recover it, but anybody that has been through the Louisiana marsh should realize it is not the same. I've fished those marshes. I do not see any way possible to get oil filled hay out of them once it makes its way in. And storms would blow it in. OK, recover it offshore. How? What machinery exists that can handle this, especially in quantities that would be effective? The hay would clog conventional skimmers, rendering them unusable or at least less effective. Design and build new equipment that can handle the floating hay? It took Higgins a while to build the boats for General Eisenhower. Large quantities did not come off the assembly line overnight. I'm not saying you could not build enough in time to be effective, but I do have some serious questions about this. The floating hay would be a hazard to the water intake the vessels use for engine cooling. How much of the fleet would actually be able to work in the area after you deploy the hay? The wave action that would mix the oil and hay so it can absorb the oil would also spread some of the hay out to where you would never recover it all. I think it gets pretty poor marks for recovery. Maybe one reason they are using hair in panty hose is that it can be both deployed and recovered without making the situation worse.
Short and long term effects? What are they? Putting that much hay in the water increases hazards to navigation. How much does that limit your effectiveness in battling this and what effects does that have on other shipping? Would the wave action cause some of it to clump up to where you have a solid mass waiting for a boat to hit it at speed? Id think that it would tend to spread out, but maybe certain types of hay would form clumps in the wave action? Does Mother Nature recover faster if the oil is left floating or if it is absorbed in the hay, whether in the Louisiana marshes, on the Alabama beaches, or floating offshore? Might be different answers for different circumstances. Does adding that much biomass deplete the oxygen in the water, creating even more of am oxygen-depleted dead zone? What do you do with all that oil soaked hay? With conventional skimming, you can dump the water back in the gulf and recover the oil. You are not left with a huge volume of hazardous residue. They mentioned burning for energy, but there are logistics that have to be dealt with and potential contamination issues just due to storage and handling. Will the hay really float forever or will it eventually get waterlogged and sink? Is that good or bad?
I'm not an expert. I don't know the answers to a lot of these questions. I don't know all the questions to ask. Maybe good solutions can be developed. I do know you do need to think these things through before you jump in and do something that just makes the problem worse.
Saw a yahoo article and photo thing... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_sc2199
These just hurt to see. Oddly enough it wasn't the bird or even the dolphin that got me misty, it was the dragonfly. I had braced myself for the fish, birds, etc. But to see flying creatures being glued down, trapped, was just awful.
It's been over a month. Had emergency procedures been in place yes there would have been oil, but nothing on this scale. This company, the government agency in charge of regulating their safety measures, and the politicians who's oily smilies are funded by them should all be ashamed of the destruction they have wrought.
I guarantee you I will be researching every candidate even more closely in the coming Novembers. Who got campaign/other funds from BP?
These just hurt to see. Oddly enough it wasn't the bird or even the dolphin that got me misty, it was the dragonfly. I had braced myself for the fish, birds, etc. But to see flying creatures being glued down, trapped, was just awful.
It's been over a month. Had emergency procedures been in place yes there would have been oil, but nothing on this scale. This company, the government agency in charge of regulating their safety measures, and the politicians who's oily smilies are funded by them should all be ashamed of the destruction they have wrought.
I guarantee you I will be researching every candidate even more closely in the coming Novembers. Who got campaign/other funds from BP?
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I have refrained from commenting up to now.
Born and raised in La. Have lived in La. all my life and I ain't likely to go anywhere.
Don't want to mention politics, but their's a lot of that going on.
News Media misinformation well you draw your own conclussions.
Bottom line----
Most of you guys with noteable exceptions, ain't got a clue. Far and removed from the problem. Have no idea what the La marsh looks like.
Oh well I am fixin to get into a major hissy fit rant----------------------------------------------%$&^%(*^(*&&
Some of you guys need a dose of the real world. Should have had a plan was one of the suggestions, yep! Ya'll are absolutely right and this is from ------------------------- oops I started------------------
Look whether it is oil production in the gulf or your local Wally World it's all about money, haven't any of you worked a job where you were pressured to increase production?
Born and raised in La. Have lived in La. all my life and I ain't likely to go anywhere.
Don't want to mention politics, but their's a lot of that going on.
News Media misinformation well you draw your own conclussions.
Bottom line----
Most of you guys with noteable exceptions, ain't got a clue. Far and removed from the problem. Have no idea what the La marsh looks like.
Oh well I am fixin to get into a major hissy fit rant----------------------------------------------%$&^%(*^(*&&
Some of you guys need a dose of the real world. Should have had a plan was one of the suggestions, yep! Ya'll are absolutely right and this is from ------------------------- oops I started------------------
Look whether it is oil production in the gulf or your local Wally World it's all about money, haven't any of you worked a job where you were pressured to increase production?
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PM, thanks for sharing. These pics are terrible to see but, remind us of what is really going on down there. Im in Ocean city now and took a drive to Assateague yesterday to see the marshlands and wild horses. The birds were everywhere and it was alive with vegetation, insects, and animals... frogs, lizards.... It was just so sad to think of an entire ecosystem being attacked in such a haineous way.
You're right, 29... Everything is about money.. everything. My personal happiness was at stake until about 10 years ago when I realized the level of importance it truely deserved. I don't have all the things I used to dream I'd have but, I am able to enjoy things I never pictured I'd enjoy. And, I think, Im much better off. My one hope is that we can learn from this and the world can grow.
You're right, 29... Everything is about money.. everything. My personal happiness was at stake until about 10 years ago when I realized the level of importance it truely deserved. I don't have all the things I used to dream I'd have but, I am able to enjoy things I never pictured I'd enjoy. And, I think, Im much better off. My one hope is that we can learn from this and the world can grow.
Well, I was reading about the new contact jobber the GOP is setting up when my eye caught this in the sidebar...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100...lYwN5bl9jb2x1bW5pc3RfcgRzbGsDcmVwb3J0ZmluZHN0
Report finds that drilling officials at Interior accepted gifts from oil industry, watched porn on government computers
Isn't THAT just peachy. *sigh* Is it just me or is it a bit embarrassing that these are the people representing us to the world?
Bad enough we consume more oil than anyone else. It's really no wonder that so many make jokes about our leaders, our environmental policy, our obesity problem, our justice system... geez the list goes on. These 'leaders' need their mouths wash out or something.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100...lYwN5bl9jb2x1bW5pc3RfcgRzbGsDcmVwb3J0ZmluZHN0
Report finds that drilling officials at Interior accepted gifts from oil industry, watched porn on government computers
Isn't THAT just peachy. *sigh* Is it just me or is it a bit embarrassing that these are the people representing us to the world?
Bad enough we consume more oil than anyone else. It's really no wonder that so many make jokes about our leaders, our environmental policy, our obesity problem, our justice system... geez the list goes on. These 'leaders' need their mouths wash out or something.
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