Ok I'm going to go on a little rant here. Has to do with breeders.

[sara]

I agree that maybe it shouldn't be in the title, but I don't see anything wrong with telling people the bloodlines you are using. I tell people all the time what bloodlines I have, but don't claim them to be pure X breeders birds once I have put them in a pen. I don't consider them my own line either, because that takes years of hard work in my opinion to call them my own line.

 

[lorieMN]

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same with horses..they are still selling on sires that have been dead for years..as long as it is a decendent of..and they make that clear..I dont see a problem with it..thats what alot people buy..bloodlines..

 

[speckledhen]

Sorry, I just dont quite get it. If he is lying, then he should be called on it. I know nothing about Hattrick except they are notable breeders in the world of Silkies,which I dont like and couldn't tell a good one from a great one anway. If he really has males from Hattrick, then yeah, that would be the bird I'd put in the ad, not a hen from "other lines", but I see people using dumb advertising techniques all the time.
If someone said their Delawares came from "speckledhen's lines", I would correct them since I was the fortunate recipient of someone else's hard work and that someone was the recipient of another long time breeder's hard work, then took them from that point on. However, I see nothing wrong with saying where the male and female lines began, truthfully. Well, I dont consider myself a breeder anyway, so maybe I just am not understanding the issue as well as I should. If he said they were Hattrick Silkies, then did not say that his hens were not, that would be completely wrong.

 

[StrawberryHouseMouse]

But were not talking about dogs and horses. One mix of birds could result in a completely different looking offspring. One flaw can throw off a whole line. And you cant say the same for chickens cause of this.

 

[cgmccary]

People want to know "where" a Seller's birds come from. Such knowledge is important when crossing to your own birds. I give as much knowledge as I can as to where my birds come from. I do NOT claim to possess my own line.

If you breed one person's silkie line.. with another silkie line.. its no longer any of those two lines. It's a new line all together.

NO. Nonsense. It would not be a new line altogether. It would take several years to develop your own"line." Crossing 2 lines doesn't make a new line.​

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

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I know what you mean. I have bought birds that look great and everything, look alot like my birds but they come from other lines. When I bred my birds with the new line I got a couple surpises.

I dont like it when people use other breeders to sell their eggs by saying they are from such and such lines. When I sell birds I simply sell them as they are, I say these eggs are from my line of birds that have won at shows and that kind of thing. I get emails asking what lines they are from and I tell them.

To me it doesnt matter where they are from as long as they meet the standard or look like I want them to for a project. For example I will use goats. There is a big breeder in the area with great Nubians. Well a few years back someone bred their deformed doe to that persons buck and the kids came out hideous and didnt look right at all but they sold them because they were sired by the good breeders buck. Then when the person that bought the kids went to show them at fair they bragged that they were from the great breeder and when the breeder found out they were ticked because the person was using their name and reputation to sell poor quality animals. So even though they claim they are from hattrick lines doesnt mean they are good birds.

 

[StrawberryHouseMouse]

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NO. Nonsense. It would not be a new line altogether. It would take several years to develop your own"line." Crossing 2 lines doesn't make a new line.

Let me correct you a little here. It takes many years developing a line of birds you wish to look a certain way. But it only takes one breeding outside of a specific line of chickens to create something that looks completely different from the line you started with when you bred it to something else.

 

[EweSheep]

I really dont mind if people say the lines are from Hattrick and Alan Stanford lines. You can cross these two lines if you chose to do so. I do always ask where their stock came from so I can make informed decision to use that line in my stock. I do that with the Welsummers.

 

[DANNY]

If you have a line of birds that came from an indidvidual and you have no other lines i don't see anything wrong with mentioning that line of birds provided they don't mind. In most cases we pay those people a lot of money to get a start of these lines. I also agree it is misused and in some cases just lies. It's sort of like those crappy birds i see as "show quality" on eggbid. The bottom line is in most cases it doesn't mean you are going to get a show quality bird anyway. Besides you can show anything but winning is a different thing. I have gotten crappy birds from many top breeders who think their culls are worth a $100 each. I won't mention any names but i would sure like to!

 

[halo]

On the flip side of this, I see, when eggs are being offered for sale, potential buyers asking what lines they came from. So buyers DO want to know where they came from. I see no problem whatsoever with stating where the birds came from. Once you are several generations from the original bird, then it seems logical to state that they are your own breeding, because 2 or 3 generations away from a bird can give you vastly different looking birds than the original bird.