***OKIES in the BYC III ***

[lonnyandrinda]

I think I want to try Bactrim. How can I get it and how is it administered?
I had trouble with the chicks that were from from my Wheaten Ameraucana rooster and Wheaten hens. The chicks from that same rooster with my Blue Ameraucana hen all survived. i suspect it may indicate that the pure Wheaten bloodlines may be "too narrow" (?)
I lost a bunch of Blue Marans too. Also lost most of my Mille Fleur Cochin chick and those genetic are all over the place. I am stumped and sick about all of those babies.
It was such a lovely, cool Summer weather-wise but not at all a good one for my breeding programs. i didn't have fertile eggs from my Self-Blue Cochins. As I am getting improved type their cushions are getting fluffier so fertility is going down. If i don't get better results after I pluck their poor bottoms, i guess A.I. is my next option. - Already anticipating Spring which will include a Sportsman incubator and hatcher!

RX only, from a vet. It is a liquid. I have to give according to body weight twice a day. It's really tricky with the chicks, like .02 ml for a 50 gram chick. The vet didn't even want to treat the chicks, just the adults (treat the root of the problem), but when I lost my rooster he agreed to give me some more so I could treat whatever chicks I could salvage.

Are your pens ever allowed to mingle? I only had to treat the Isbars because they were 100% separated by yard space always. If yours ever mingled, or even had adjacent pens, then it is possible you now have spread it to other pens. IF e coli is your problem- that's a big IF. The only way to get a vet to prescribe it is probably to sacrifice a suspect bird, put it on ice, and send it to OSU for testing. Be sure and mention you suspect e coli. Remember there are many strains of e coli, some are beneficial and some are harmful. They will test whatever they find with a list of antibiotics and give you the results, which will tell the vet which antibiotic is best to treat your strain. It will cost you $80-150 for the OSU testing and culturing then a vet visit with a suspect chicken then the antibiotic (which isn't very expensive).

 

[mjgigax]

RX only, from a vet. It is a liquid. I have to give according to body weight twice a day. It's really tricky with the chicks, like .02 ml for a 50 gram chick. The vet didn't even want to treat the chicks, just the adults (treat the root of the problem), but when I lost my rooster he agreed to give me some more so I could treat whatever chicks I could salvage.

Are your pens ever allowed to mingle? I only had to treat the Isbars because they were 100% separated by yard space always. If yours ever mingled, or even had adjacent pens, then it is possible you now have spread it to other pens. IF e coli is your problem- that's a big IF. The only way to get a vet to prescribe it is probably to sacrifice a suspect bird, put it on ice, and send it to OSU for testing. Be sure and mention you suspect e coli. Remember there are many strains of e coli, some are beneficial and some are harmful. They will test whatever they find with a list of antibiotics and give you the results, which will tell the vet which antibiotic is best to treat your strain. It will cost you $80-150 for the OSU testing and culturing then a vet visit with a suspect chicken then the antibiotic (which isn't very expensive).

My pens don't mingle but some of them are side by side.

 

[artsyrobin]

has anyone heard of ulcerative enteritis? I may have finally discovered what was happening with the bantams- they would gradually fade away, unable to keep weight on, adult birds- symptoms mimic cocci, lethargy, huddled, cold, bright green poop- i have lost over half my bantams to it- anyway, if anyone is battling this kind of thing, put them on duramycin for 3 days- here are a few links on it. I lost tiffany my porcelain silky sunday, and nearly lost tilt, she is rebounding, eating, puttering around like silkies do, within 24 hours of meds-wish i'd known about this sooner- of that original flock of bantams, there are 4 left..

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/162/ulcerative-enteritis-quail-disease
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/834129/ulcerative-enteritis

 

[artsyrobin]

Quote: MJ, what were the symptoms??

 

[lonnyandrinda]

has anyone heard of ulcerative enteritis? I may have finally discovered what was happening with the bantams- they would gradually fade away, unable to keep weight on, adult birds- symptoms mimic cocci, lethargy, huddled, cold, bright green poop- i have lost over half my bantams to it- anyway, if anyone is battling this kind of thing, put them on duramycin for 3 days- here are a few links on it. I lost tiffany my porcelain silky sunday, and nearly lost tilt, she is rebounding, eating, puttering around like silkies do, within 24 hours of meds-wish i'd known about this sooner- of that original flock of bantams, there are 4 left..

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/162/ulcerative-enteritis-quail-disease
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/834129/ulcerative-enteritis

Very interesting- from the symptoms I suspect I have lost some birds to this recently as well. All I have onhand is Tetroxy HCA and Gallimycin. Since Tetroxy is also in the tetracycline family would it treat as well as the Duramycin?

 

[artsyrobin]

Hope this helps, this has been a long battle here and maybe i finally can clear it up-

here is more on the symptoms and treatments:

Streptomycin (44 gm/100 litres water), Bacitracin, Tetracyclines, penicillin (50-100 ppm in feed), amoxycillin, multivitamins. Response to treatment should occur in 48 to 96 hours. Treat for coccidiosis if this is a factor.


http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/162/ulcerative-enteritis-quail-disease


Ulcerative Enteritis is an acute, highly contagious disease of chickens and quail caused by the bacterium


Clostridium
colinum



and characterised by ulcers of the intestines and caecae. It can start suddenly and cause high mortality: 100%
in quail and 10% in chickens. Turkeys, game birds and pigeons may also be affected. The condition occurs worldwide.
The route of infection is oral and transmission is from faeces of sick or carrier birds or via flies. The bacterium resists
boiling for 3 minutes. Predisposing factors include Coccidiosis (especially


E. necatrix, E. tenella, and E. brunetti), IBDV
and overcrowding.
Signs
Listlessness.
Retracted neck.
Drooping wings.
Partially closed eyes.
Ruffled feathers.
Diarrhoea.
Anaemia.
Watery white

 

[Kyzmette]

Wow Robin, sorry to hear about your losses, but good detective work. I'm glad to hear you've stopped it.

 

[Kyzmette]

Coral, so sorry your family is going through this. My prayers for your MIL and her suffering, and your family's associated stress and worry.

 

[shelbydog]

Coral, I'm also sorry about the complications your MIL is experiencing.

 

[shelbydog]

So let me tell you how much of a chicken nerd I've turned into.....Kyzmette and I work at the same place and we were IM'ing each other on Monday. We were talking about the d'uccles I wanted to get one day and ad for some Marans I found. So I type out this long response to her about why I want the d'uccle males caponized and about how I want a certain rooster for my flock so any potentional offspring doesn't lose their dual purpose traits and about my upcoming processing day. I didn't send this message to Kyzmette...I sent this message in a group chat to my immediate coworkers. OMG. My immediate coworkers now know I think an awful lot about my chickens mating and me eating my chickens.