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[Poco Pollo]

Kass - I'm so sorry to hear about your cat. We had a manx, Picky Picky, for twelve years. I still see her shadow chasing mice.

Monty - Tear out the bermuda and grow little bluestem, feather reed grass, or prairie dropseed grass. These are ornamental grasses that require very little maintenance, and you can tell your DW they are ornamental, because they are. You'll attract wild birds and quail, which will increase your photo opportunities. If you're going to raise grass, then it might as well be awesome grass: even my goats won't eat bermuda.

Lots of people are visiting the planning thread for the North East Oklahoma Chicken Stock (N.E.O.C.S.). If you would like to reserve a space to set up to sell your hatching eggs, chickens, waterfowl, quilts, jams, jellies, turkey diapers, etc., please let me know. There will be a master map made for event day so that buyers can scan the map for specific breeds, arts and crafts, or other sale items. I will keep a current map on the planning thread, but here's what it looks like now. Red spaces are reserved already. You can send me an e-mail of PM to reserve your space.

 

[poultryand bees]

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Newcastle is the 1st and 3rd Saturday and Blanchard is the 2nd and 4th Saturday. With January starting on a Sunday, the Newcastle auction will be Jan 7 and 21. Blanchard will be the 14th and 28th.

Oh good! I hope to make it. What I've been planning is a 10x10 pen with about a dozen OEGB and Modern Bantam girls in it. I'm going to get them all wormed and quarantined and settled in for a few months and when it gets warm I'm going to rotate my little Serama & the OEGB cockerel between inside & out there with the girls. Channing (the Serama) will get to be with the pen full of girls during warm weather and Dewey Crow (the OEGB) will get them when it falls below 60 degrees. That's what I'm shooting for.
I got a good picture of me and Channing, too. He thinks he deserves girls although he doesn't think 12 is enough lol
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii158/ksane/Birds/m-ch_grls.jpg

Great picture and it really demonstrates the small size of the Seramas.

 

[upcdayz]

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Lavendar is based on the lav gene. It is a true breeding form of Blue called Self Blue, and is absent of lacing. When breeding lavendar you breed Lavendar to Lavendar you get 100% lavendar chicks. Many breeders cross Lavendar with Black, all resulting offspring are black, then breed those offspring back to each other to get back to lavendar. lavendar is often associated with poor feather width, and poor feather quality thus the occasional cross to balck to improve those traits.

Blue is whole different story.
Blue is a incomplete dominant mutation of Black. It takes two copies of genes to create most colors along with other determing factors but with blue for instance the natural form in a recessive state bl results in black when two copies are present, the mutation incompletly dominant Bl results in a splash when two copies are present and when the two are combined as Bl / bl you get Blue.
So to think of it this way when breeding Blue
bl/bl = Black
Bl/bl = Blue
Bl / Bl = Splash

This form of blue is laced with a darker shade of blue. One should breed for an even shade of blue. You will get your best color by breeding Blue to Blue and be able to maintain proper lacing and a more uniform color through out the birds body in this manner.
when Breeding Black x Splash all teh resulting offspring will be blue in color however will vary widely in color quality and are often un-even in color and begin to loose lacing as this created by the presence of other genes you cannot see when using Black and Splash.

Did that answer it for you or do I need to dig deeper or make it more simple?

Good explanation. That answers most of my questions - for now.

I have many more churning in my mind, but your explanation helps me understand better how the colors differ. If I were to see one of each, side by side it would probably be easier to make a visual, physical identification and distinction.

 

[sjarvis00]

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Lavendar is based on the lav gene. It is a true breeding form of Blue called Self Blue, and is absent of lacing. When breeding lavendar you breed Lavendar to Lavendar you get 100% lavendar chicks. Many breeders cross Lavendar with Black, all resulting offspring are black, then breed those offspring back to each other to get back to lavendar. lavendar is often associated with poor feather width, and poor feather quality thus the occasional cross to balck to improve those traits.

Blue is whole different story.
Blue is a incomplete dominant mutation of Black. It takes two copies of genes to create most colors along with other determing factors but with blue for instance the natural form in a recessive state bl results in black when two copies are present, the mutation incompletly dominant Bl results in a splash when two copies are present and when the two are combined as Bl / bl you get Blue.
So to think of it this way when breeding Blue
bl/bl = Black
Bl/bl = Blue
Bl / Bl = Splash

This form of blue is laced with a darker shade of blue. One should breed for an even shade of blue. You will get your best color by breeding Blue to Blue and be able to maintain proper lacing and a more uniform color through out the birds body in this manner.
when Breeding Black x Splash all teh resulting offspring will be blue in color however will vary widely in color quality and are often un-even in color and begin to loose lacing as this created by the presence of other genes you cannot see when using Black and Splash.

Did that answer it for you or do I need to dig deeper or make it more simple?

Good explanation. That answers most of my questions - for now.

I have many more churning in my mind, but your explanation helps me understand better how the colors differ. If I were to see one of each, side by side it would probably be easier to make a visual, physical identification and distinction.

There are some very noticable differences in them when sitting side by side. Let me know if I can be any assistance on other stuff.

 

[nnbreeder]

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Lots of ideas, humidity, bacteria, health of the breeders and the list goes on. on hatch day do you take the eggs out of the turner and lay them flat? If the humidity was too high then when you lay them flat the excess moisture gathers near the chick and they drown. When I have them in a turner and set to hatch all at once I just unplug the turner so the eggs stay upright. If I am doing staggered hatches I will use a hatcher and an egg carton.

Bacteria is nasty stuff, can't see it but it can cause a lot of problems. My solution has been to make a 10% bleach solution and use that in the water trays plus I have a spray bottle handy that I can spritz the eggs themselves with every now and then. Plus I do a complete tear-down and sanitize the bators after each use.

You keep your birds in good shape so I doubt there are many worries there.

Do you candle the eggs before putting them in the bator? Many times cracks and porous shells will only show up when you candle them and the shape of the shell is also important. They should look like the store-bought eggs, those hatch the best.

I have had my best luck running a humidifier in the room where the bators are, yet running the tabletops dry until lockdown date. There is an excellent article here on BYC on dry incubation, just do a search for it.

And one more thing would be the temp. If you can get a high/low recording thermometer to see how much the temp varies in a 24 hour period. It can often point out problems that you were not aware of like a sliver of light coming through a curtain and heating up the inside while you are not home.

 

[NanaKat]

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Lavendar is based on the lav gene. It is a true breeding form of Blue called Self Blue, and is absent of lacing. When breeding lavendar you breed Lavendar to Lavendar you get 100% lavendar chicks. Many breeders cross Lavendar with Black, all resulting offspring are black, then breed those offspring back to each other to get back to lavendar. lavendar is often associated with poor feather width, and poor feather quality thus the occasional cross to balck to improve those traits.

Blue is whole different story.
Blue is a incomplete dominant mutation of Black. It takes two copies of genes to create most colors along with other determing factors but with blue for instance the natural form in a recessive state bl results in black when two copies are present, the mutation incompletly dominant Bl results in a splash when two copies are present and when the two are combined as Bl / bl you get Blue.
So to think of it this way when breeding Blue
bl/bl = Black
Bl/bl = Blue
Bl / Bl = Splash

This form of blue is laced with a darker shade of blue. One should breed for an even shade of blue. You will get your best color by breeding Blue to Blue and be able to maintain proper lacing and a more uniform color through out the birds body in this manner.
when Breeding Black x Splash all teh resulting offspring will be blue in color however will vary widely in color quality and are often un-even in color and begin to loose lacing as this created by the presence of other genes you cannot see when using Black and Splash.

Did that answer it for you or do I need to dig deeper or make it more simple?

So Breeding Samson and Delilah - Blue Cochin roo over Blue Cochin hen makes Blue Cochin babies.
The possible Lavendar gene Samson has won't show up unless I can get F1 crossing of two with the unexpressed Lavendar gene....correct?

For cross breeding will the same hold true?
Blue Cochin roo over Blue Wyandotte makes Blue feather footed with a Cochin comb (single comb vs pea comb)
Blue Cochin roo over Black Australorp - Blue and black feather footed single combed babies.

 

[Sooner]

Poco you did an excellent job on the map for the building! Just a heads up for Wayne & sixshooter, I plan to bring a canopy for my area, if you guys have one it would be a good idea to bring it.

POCO quick question, will we have access to the restrooms in the other building??

 

[Poco Pollo]

I just saw a photo of a beautiful crele polish rooster. Can anyone explain how the crele color works? The explanation I got was: breed a partridge male to a cuckoo female. Would a partridge Chantecler roo over a Cuckoo Marans hen create a crele chick?

 

[Poco Pollo]

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I've been assured that the restrooms in the round building will be open on event day.

 

[Sooner]

I'm glad to know that! I was hoping we wouldn't have to go with port-a-potty route!

Love the talk of colors & how to get them. I just wish I could manage to keep up with the tread & write it all down!