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ok one last response then i really have to go. people need their tractors. but answer your question 52.....no i didnt know about it, but i love getting the word out about it. i am not some tree hugging hippie that hates they get cut down, and no offense to the tree hugging hippies in here, i do like to conserve for our planet but understand the use fo0r the trees, i do it because im tired of being indepndent on poeple i have no reason to be. not that im a cheap s.o.b. just i dont have millions of dollars to keep giving millionaires for something i can do for myself. and get paid to sell it back to them.....lol.... whatever i can do to figure out on how to cut cost here and there for the greater good of my family, and pass on the knowledge to others who are like minded then thats what i was sent here to do. like i said in the begining im here to learn as much as you guys are, and i know i have never shut up but i will all you have to do is ask, but i love building things and making myself less stressed out on paying people that already have millions of dollars. i want a simple life in the sticks, i have the food part down, the tranportation part if we do run out of gas or they have some crisis, i have horses and a young john donkey i am working with to pack and to pull a small buggy to take me to the store. i am about to start planting my garden so i will have food all year til next season, all i need now is a good beef calf and a milk cow. wich i might just switch to goats milk. i know how to fish. my daughter is 9 and loves to design clothes so we are teacher her to make clothes, so if yo evr meet me and im wearing some off the wall shirt then you know why, i would wear it for my daughter. my son wants to be a paleontoligist so we let him help in the digging of the garden course he dont know that but we tell him that anyways. not really much help at 7 but it helps him learn. sorry for being long winded, wow if we could harness all that we all could make a small fortune off me.....lol anyways you all have fun tractors are not going to build themselves and well wife dont like using power tool so guess i got to do it. ttyl