PAINT SILKIE BREEDING

[Zemeraire]

What will the other 50% be, white? What would their genetic make up be, assuming the paint parent does not have any recessive white?

They would be whatever the base colour is.

If your paint is double extended black, then all will be extended black BUT the recessive white could have ANYTHING. So you could end up with all black or paint, or the white could carry something that modifies black such as blue.

If your paint has only one copy of extended black, half the babies will be extended black. So black paints and solid blacks, again with the potential for modifiers from the white. The other half will be a total mix bag. The paint parent might have genetics for non extended black as well as extended black, it might not. The white parent's base colour could be ANYTHING.

And again, if your paint is not extended black based black, it will pass on half of that mix to its babies and the other half comes from the mystery white parent. You may not even get any black based paints.

You could end up with blues, partridges, birchens, wheatens, barring, penciling, ANYTHING. It is totally up to what is under the white.

 

[Amer]

That is very silly and misinformative of the breeder.
Yes, you can use any blacks or dominant whites.

 

[LadiesAndJane]

That is very silly and misinformative of the breeder.
Yes, you can use any blacks or dominant whites.

Thank you! It is what I thought, but wanted to be sure.

 

[Ada06]

So, I am getting some paint silkie hatching eggs, and have a question after reading all the threads I could find on the topic.
The breeder (as many others do, I have noticed) calls her blacks that result in her paint pen, "split" to paint. I know this is not accurate, so I wanted to verify that I could use ANY black silkie with the paints and any dominant whites that hatch out of these eggs for breeding? Thinking it best to use an unrelated bird, then I would just sell any solid blacks that hatch from these eggs, as they will not "carry" any paint.
Thanks!

The point of split to paint is that the black carries the paint gene. With any black silkie it could carry blue, chocolate, or any color and you wouldn't be able to tell until your chicks show that they carry it. I am pretty sure white hides lots of colors in it as well so just buying black from a paint breeder insures they carry the paint gene. I hope this makes sense!!

 

[Ada06]

No it doesn't make sense. It's not how it works. There is no paint gene and a bird doesn't carry a paint gene.
Paint is a pattern. It's the combination of one dominate white gene on a black bird.
Black also can not carry blue.

Sorry, did a little more research today.
Like you mentioned paint isn't a gene buut some of what I said is true. You can began with paint to full black. Then you want to use the black split from paint and breed it back to the parent. People generally use black split to paint because it results in more of the dominant white gene showing through.
People will then breed a full black back in every once in awhile to fix pigment holes and get bigger spots in their silkies.
Ignore most of what I said before lol. Thank you for correcting my misinformation.

 

[Ada06]

There's no such thing as a black split to paint. A black is a black.
There's no difference in a black from paint breeding then a black from BBS breeding or a black from black breeding.
Blacks have nothing to do with the amount or size of the patches. Its more so from the dominate white side.

Idk I guess the articles I am reading are wrong. The article said black not split to paint have a green sheen to their feathers. Maybe most people are just incorrect. Here is one of the articles I have read.
https://vjppoultry.com/tag/paint-silkie-breeding-chart/

 

[MichelleHubs]

Please share your results of your breedings! I am obsessed with breeding for paint and love to hear about breeding results!

 

[nicalandia]

Yes many have no clue about paint genetics.
That article was written by someone that has very recently gotten into them and is clearly misinformed and spreading misinformation.
Even the breeding chart is incorrect.
The paint pattern and breeding for it isn't anything new. Hatcheries sell a bird called Austra Whites. They're a hybrid and the same pattern genetics. There was a breed a long long time ago based on the same pattern. Maybe if you're interested in learning you can research it.
There were a couple versions but the black and white ones were the same as silkie paints. They were called Erminettes.

I agree with this

 

[RosesChickens]

That is very silly and misinformative of the breeder.
Yes, you can use any blacks or dominant whites.

How do you know if you have a dominant black or white? I have a black girl and a white roo.. would that breed a paint?

 

[RosesChickens]

Please share your results of your breedings! I am obsessed with breeding for paint and love to hear about breeding results!

Hey there, can you please let me know how to get a paint silkie.. im getting obsessed with how to create apint babies for breeding. no one in my area seems to have paints, just blue black splash and whites.
If a white and black can create a paint, how is no one creating them?