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The biggest mistakes beginner make starting seeds indoors are:
1) starting them too early
2) not enough light
They are related because the distance from the lights is a huge factor in intensity. If you double the distance (say from 2 to 4 inches), you cut the intensity to 1/4 of what is was, so the seedling start ok, but as you raise the lights, they get less, so they "reach" more for the light. It's a natural response to try to reach sunlight over the competing plants.

The biggest favor you will do yourself is to wait. We want to rush to get a start on spring, but IMO, the only seeds that should be started now are peppers and broccoli/cabbage/cauliflower. Even those is pushing it a bit, a week or 2 from now would be better. Definitely hold off on tomatoes, they are warm weather plants and putting them out in April is cruel to them. Unless you know you have the light intensity to handle larger plants, wait a month before starting the tomatoes. Don't believe me? Do it both ways this spring and see which ones are doing better in July.

If you've already got tomatoes going and they do end up too tall and scraggly, you can transplant them deeper (don't do this with any other plants, only tomatoes). You can even strip off the lower leaves and plant them on their side, buried up to their lowest remaining leaf. This works in pots or the garden. Tomatoes are the world's easiest plant to grow from cuttings, they will sprout roots anywhere on their stems (few other plants can do this - those in the mint family also come to mind). You can easily root tomato cuttings in a glass of water on your window sill!

People like to see big tomato plants when the put them in the garden. That's all marketing to sell you more. The ideal size is 3 - 4 inches, but smaller is better than bigger, IMO. Early May is when you want to plant them out, not April.
 
The biggest mistakes beginner make starting seeds indoors are:
1) starting them too early
2) not enough light
They are related because the distance from the lights is a huge factor in intensity. If you double the distance (say from 2 to 4 inches), you cut the intensity to 1/4 of what is was, so the seedling start ok, but as you raise the lights, they get less, so they "reach" more for the light. It's a natural response to try to reach sunlight over the competing plants.

The biggest favor you will do yourself is to wait. We want to rush to get a start on spring, but IMO, the only seeds that should be started now are peppers and broccoli/cabbage/cauliflower. Even those is pushing it a bit, a week or 2 from now would be better. Definitely hold off on tomatoes, they are warm weather plants and putting them out in April is cruel to them. Unless you know you have the light intensity to handle larger plants, wait a month before starting the tomatoes. Don't believe me? Do it both ways this spring and see which ones are doing better in July.

If you've already got tomatoes going and they do end up too tall and scraggly, you can transplant them deeper (don't do this with any other plants, only tomatoes). You can even strip off the lower leaves and plant them on their side, buried up to their lowest remaining leaf. This works in pots or the garden. Tomatoes are the world's easiest plant to grow from cuttings, they will sprout roots anywhere on their stems (few other plants can do this - those in the mint family also come to mind). You can easily root tomato cuttings in a glass of water on your window sill!

People like to see big tomato plants when the put them in the garden. That's all marketing to sell you more. The ideal size is 3 - 4 inches, but smaller is better than bigger, IMO. Early May is when you want to plant them out, not April.


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The light issue is by far the biggest cause of leggy plants, imo. And you need 14-16 hours a day for good growth. I use two for foot shop lights with a mix of bulbs and it is barely adequate for three flats. I use chains to raise them as needed, keeping them just above the leaves.

I always do the deep plant bury thing with tomatoes. Far deeper and stronger root systems. Even leggy ones can end up working.
 
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Anyone think of a celebrity look alike on my 6 wk old CCL pullets?

OMGosh!! hahaha...how about "Johnny Wier"?..hahaha ....He does have "style" ..hahahaha...We have watched a lot of the Olympics and boy they put tons of the figure skating-dancing stuff out this year!
Same exact thing happened this evening as I described yesterday. I took a picture of it:




You can clearly see the correct path back, but yet they can't figure it out. They think that one ways a path but they won't walk in snow so that obviously doesn't work. I carried two into the coop and the one flew across the snow again but made it this time
too funny!!...By the time they "get-it", the snow will be gone! hahaha Makes for fun entertainment anyway, well...until you have to put them to bed.
 
Busy weekend cleaning out the coops. Ended up having to dig a trench along the front of the coop to keep the water from flowing in. What a muddy mess out there. Put the pool cover up on top of the coop to hopefully stop the roof from leaking until spring. All of the plywood will need to be removed, thought I was going to go through it a few times. Had to clean all of the straw out now I have a huge pile with no where to go with it at the moment due to all of the snow and ice. My goose has been laying eggs in a milk crate. Funny girl, she hardly fits. Found a tub and exchanged out the milk crate. Put in a long planter box for my silkies since they like to pile up in the corner on top of the milk crates. They seem to like it so far. Its amazing the junk I can find around the house. Where does this stuff all come from lol. Found bottom part of a cat litter box and filled it with ash, sand (that I didn't realize I had) and DE. In a 3 hour time period that dust bath was never empty. 2 at a time would be in it and others standing around waiting their turn.
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Now for a question. We have corrugated metal roofing that we are going to be putting up in the spring. Should we put plywood down first to help with heat or sound (from rain storms) or not. My thought is not to to save on cost.
More snow on Tuesday :)
 
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The light issue is by far the biggest cause of leggy plants, imo. And you need 14-16 hours a day for good growth. I use two for foot shop lights with a mix of bulbs and it is barely adequate for three flats. I use chains to raise them as needed, keeping them just above the leaves.

I always do the deep plant bury thing with tomatoes. Far deeper and stronger root systems. Even leggy ones can end up working.

The biggest mistakes beginner make starting seeds indoors are:
1) starting them too early
2) not enough light
They are related because the distance from the lights is a huge factor in intensity. If you double the distance (say from 2 to 4 inches), you cut the intensity to 1/4 of what is was, so the seedling start ok, but as you raise the lights, they get less, so they "reach" more for the light. It's a natural response to try to reach sunlight over the competing plants.

The biggest favor you will do yourself is to wait. We want to rush to get a start on spring, but IMO, the only seeds that should be started now are peppers and broccoli/cabbage/cauliflower. Even those is pushing it a bit, a week or 2 from now would be better. Definitely hold off on tomatoes, they are warm weather plants and putting them out in April is cruel to them. Unless you know you have the light intensity to handle larger plants, wait a month before starting the tomatoes. Don't believe me? Do it both ways this spring and see which ones are doing better in July.

If you've already got tomatoes going and they do end up too tall and scraggly, you can transplant them deeper (don't do this with any other plants, only tomatoes). You can even strip off the lower leaves and plant them on their side, buried up to their lowest remaining leaf. This works in pots or the garden. Tomatoes are the world's easiest plant to grow from cuttings, they will sprout roots anywhere on their stems (few other plants can do this - those in the mint family also come to mind). You can easily root tomato cuttings in a glass of water on your window sill!

People like to see big tomato plants when the put them in the garden. That's all marketing to sell you more. The ideal size is 3 - 4 inches, but smaller is better than bigger, IMO. Early May is when you want to plant them out, not April.
Thanks for all the seed/plant info/opinions...lots of different ways to do things...for as long as I have been gardening..i never thought to deep-plant our seedlings...we do it to the more developed plants when planting outside, which around here IS May, because we always have frost/freezing in April..or you can push it like we have and put your plants out..but then you have to cover ALL the time!!..we just wait now, much easier!
Anyway, we have always planted the more mature plants just a bit deeper and they have always done very well...but for whatever reason, never did it to the seedlings...I will be doing it this time though! Thank you!
Going to start the tomatoes and the peppers, we have warmer areas to keep them in and we have hot boxes before transplanting out in the big garden....Have to get broccoli & cauliflower seeds & get them going too.
 
Busy weekend cleaning out the coops. Ended up having to dig a trench along the front of the coop to keep the water from flowing in. What a muddy mess out there. Put the pool cover up on top of the coop to hopefully stop the roof from leaking until spring. All of the plywood will need to be removed, thought I was going to go through it a few times. Had to clean all of the straw out now I have a huge pile with no where to go with it at the moment due to all of the snow and ice. My goose has been laying eggs in a milk crate. Funny girl, she hardly fits. Found a tub and exchanged out the milk crate. Put in a long planter box for my silkies since they like to pile up in the corner on top of the milk crates. They seem to like it so far. Its amazing the junk I can find around the house. Where does this stuff all come from lol. Found bottom part of a cat litter box and filled it with ash, sand (that I didn't realize I had) and DE. In a 3 hour time period that dust bath was never empty. 2 at a time would be in it and others standing around waiting their turn.


Now for a question. We have corrugated metal roofing that we are going to be putting up in the spring. Should we put plywood down first to help with heat or sound (from rain storms) or not. My thought is not to to save on cost.
More snow on Tuesday
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Depending on what the size of the roof is and pitch ....maybe, we have a "plastic" roof/lean-to...it is not big, but we did add a little support under with some 2x4's."squares"...you can take a look at some of the pics in my albums..easier to see then for me to explain. Anyway, would rather over-build, then under build, I completely understand about the $$, maybe just a few extra supports(1-2: 2x4's) instead of an entire sheet of plywood?...just my opinion & what we have learned. Good luck with everything!
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I have 1/2 a green thumb, so here my two cents...If a seeding/plant gets leggie, its mostly because it wants more sun. As I posted earlier today, some seeds want warmer temps to germinate, and some take longer..(LC)...I've always had a harder time with peppers....DK, when moving outside, they need to be 'hardened off'...this entails getting them used to being outside. I usually use my own compost to start, but the ground was frozen so I bought a bag of top soil...I have heard of folks who germinate seeds in wet paper towels, this might work for you with the warming pad...(wish I had one). I started my Toms and peppers, last week, I did the cucs and zucs today, I have a bunch of other stuff to start later...and I always try to get the peas planted on 03/17....
Here's a good spot to post questions,,,,,,http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/cornucop/
Do you start your peas inside? I will never be able to plant by the 17th...too much snow & the ground is very frozen. We have found that Cukes and Zucci. grow fast enough that we don't generally start them inside..hmm, maybe I will this year....I need more room now...and another grow light....oh boy.
 
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first pic of my babies! I got 4 ameraucanas and 4 assorted red pullets. I'm SO excited!
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