Photo comparison - Java, Freedom Ranger, CX carcasses

Discussion in 'Meat Birds ETC' started by Life is Good!, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. Life is Good!

    Life is Good! Songster

    Apr 14, 2011
    suburbia Chicagoland
    Finally found the bloomin' cord to attach camera to computer. So, the promised photographs. Couldn't find OP, so I hope they see it!


    Black Java cockeral, age about 20wks. Very, very tall guy with a seriously long neck. Not much in the way of chest, but you can see the fat on his thighs, so he was fully grown. He was 4lbs 3oz. We culled him for lack of SOP - wrong body shape, not very full chested and way too leggy/necky for the breed. So, his chest is not representative of what we typically see. Think this is the 'long and lean' Java, not the kind we're breeding which is fuller chested and more blocky.


    CX pullet, age 12wks. She was 'average' size for the bunch - weighed in at 5lbs12oz.


    FR pullet, age 13wks. She was one of the larger girls, weighed in at 4lbs10oz.

    I hope this pictorial helps folks understand what the differences are. We've gotten 4 Black Java cockerals out of 5 eggs in the brooder right now. So if I end up with someone more to type, I'll post him. (Only need 1 guy...we'll see who gets to stay!).

    I've set all these birds on the same cutting board, with the same knife so everyone can do their comparisons. I tried to get the same 'angle' on the camera as well. Hope it gives you greater understanding! Nope, sorry, no 'this is what they look like roasted' photos, I've got two teenage sons - are you kidding me? Food comes out of the oven at 350 or 400 degrees and they're chowing into it like they've never seen food before! So, no 'after' photos from this camera! Unless you'd like to see their smiling faces - HA! They're teenagers, they instinctively know we'll use these gawky photos of them in their not-too-distant future...!

  2. CoopDeViIIe

    CoopDeViIIe Chirping

    Aug 9, 2012
    Awesome pictures. Was there a large difference in size for the CX at 12 weeks vs 8-9 weeks? It actually seems a little light for a 12 week old CX.
  3. Life is Good!

    Life is Good! Songster

    Apr 14, 2011
    suburbia Chicagoland
    Due to an exceptionally cold, wet fall, the CX took longer to mature - because they were using so much feed to simply stay warm! I couldn't get a heat-lamp to cover all 25 of 'em at 8wks without fear of crushing to they toughed it out in the cold. CX did not like 30 degree high temps and consistent rain in October - nor did I! Typical October isn't that cold here, which is why I though I could push them into the early fall. Little did I know that 'early fall' was really 'mid winter'!

    Had I grown these in the heat of summer, yes, I'd likely have seen these weights on younger birds. However, seasonal changes are quite apparent when you do this over a couple of seasons! (And with last year's summer, I'm glad I didn't have any around...I don't think CX fare well with 104 degrees!).

    Oh, and the FR had been thawed from being frozen from our spring crop - I remembered this goal of mine (to post comparison photos), so I quick took a photo before putting in the oven. That's why the FR's limbs are not all splayed out - she was still cold!
  4. Hummingbird Hollow

    Hummingbird Hollow Songster

    Jul 1, 2011
    Colorado mountains
    Great photos. Very educational for those of us not familiar with the differences between these birds.

  5. redsoxs

    redsoxs Crowing

    Jul 17, 2011
    North Central Kansas
    Very informative - thank you for posting!!!
  6. jdywntr

    jdywntr Songster

    Oct 31, 2009
    Somerville, AL
    Awesome. The FR looks like the breast meat is nicely developed. That is my biggest problem with DP birds. I might have to get me some.
  7. Jennsbirds

    Jennsbirds Chirping

    Feb 24, 2013
    Bay Area
    While they lack breast meat, those are are some godd looking drums.

  8. ceeceeholt

    ceeceeholt Songster

    Aug 17, 2011
    Thank you for this post! Awesome. Doing CX for the first time and looking forward to rewards!
  9. Flavum

    Flavum In the Brooder

    May 4, 2012
    This really puts it into perspective. Those java Drumsticks look yummy.

  10. Life is Good!

    Life is Good! Songster

    Apr 14, 2011
    suburbia Chicagoland
    I was truly surprised as to HOW different these three breeds were on the table. Am sort of anxious to experiment a little further with other dual-pupose breeds....maybe an BO or a Jersey Giant? We'll see who arrives in the farm stores this year! What fun!

    The Java's have amazing flavor - and yes, the drumsticks/thighs are incredible! The breast meat is tender and lovely, there just isn't very much of it. Works well for 4 folks, but we use most of the bird in one meal. Since I'm trying to add to my layer flock, I've gotten a lot of cockerals this winter from the incubator. Strangest thing...this property produces boys. Out of 5 eggs, I'll get 1 pullet. So if I'm trying to get more pullets, that's LOTS of incubating!

    The FR are simply delicious - overall, a good 'roasting' bird. Good presentation on the table and if it warms up enough to do one on the grill - yum! (Propane doesn't flow well below 40 degrees - never knew that before this cold winter!)

    The CX are tasty, but after the flavor of a Java, well, yes, it's a lot of meat...but, there is a difference in the mouth. I've been using the CX for things like orange marinade, chicken n' dumplings and bbq chicken...something to add a bit of 'zip' to the meat. LOTS of meat. Even end up with leftovers (4 folks eating, 2 are teen boys). Well worth the time and effort.

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