Pied gene in chickens?

[Cyprus]

I've got goat chops cooking, anyone hungry?

 

[MysteryChicken]

I know I shouldn't. I really shouldn't, but I just can't help myself.

The blue mottled bird you posted claiming to be pied is not. It is blue mottled. Period. I have kept chickens, ducks, geese, guineas, turkeys, pheasants, quail, chukar, peacocks, and a large variety of finches and softbills from Zebra and Society Finches to Amethyst Starlings, and hookbills ranging from Parakeets and Cockatiels to Macaws. Some species of birds can display pied. Chickens do not.

On May 31st, you posted the same bird claiming it was a rare Blue Tuxedo Old English Game Bantam:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...ifferent-genetics-new-variety.1297846/page-51

"I don't believe everything I read. I do my research, & figure out what's correct, and what's incorrect."

You're right, you don't believe everything you read. You just read until you find something that supports what you want to believe regardless of the individuals with far more knowledge trying to help you even though we all know it's pointless. You have not once taken the advice or knowledge given to you from anyone here.

"I do have an idea on how I can bring pied coloring into chicken breeding, but I'll have to test it out first. My idea is crossing mottled, and splash, & see where that takes me."

More cross-bred chickens displaying a variety of genes. None of which will be pied. That's what you'll get.

"Oh, yeah. That experimental crele chicken I bred is starting to get the distinct red patch on his wings like true crele chickens have, so I believe I've done something right."

Leakage. That's what that's called.

But you go on assuming that you're creating Crele birds without the genes required to make Crele, that you had a really rare Muffed Gamefowl when it was most certainly an EE despite the weak argument you used to support your claim that it was not, that your hatchery quality Silkies are something they aren't, or that despite the mutliple people stating otherwise that your flock must be getting picked off by weasel.

I along with everyone else here sees a pattern and I for one will no longer be offering my assistance or knowledge to someone who so obviously disregards everything said to you because it disagrees with your skewed opinions. Which I believe you call arguing when we do it to you. So good day and good luck with your birds.

You're wrong about the statement you made "You're right you don't believe everything that you read, you just read until you find something that supports what you want to believe regardless of the individuals with far more knowledge trying to help you even though it's pointless."

I have a more detailed mind set that needs to be visually taught with things I can see rather the "Helpful" replies that redicuel against my way I understand things. I need guidenst, not "Hey, you can't make this with this, you're all wrong. You need this too make this.

Understand me better now, or do I need to continue explaining?

 

[ColtHandorf]

This one is clearly mottled.

No, that is not mottling. It may look like it is mottled, but it is not. Just like I can walk into Lowes or Home Depot and grab a bucket of white paint and get home only to discover it's eggshell or off-white. At a quick glance I thought it was white, but a more in-depth look at the label showed me what it really was.

I do not have the genetic prowess to explain the technicalities of what that little cockerel is but perhaps someone with more patience and a better understanding of genes and loci can explain it to you like @Cyprus, @The Moonshiner, or @nicalandia.

Here's the chick in question.

That little pullet is Blue Mottled. Or is at least is split to mottled, meaning she carries one copy of the gene. Did you hatch her or did you buy her from a breeder or a feed store? I spent thirty minutes trying to find progression photos of the same mottled bird taken every month until maturity and was unable to find anything to show you how the mottled gene expresses and changes throughout the molts leading up to a bird's adult feathering. Additionally, mottled birds change in subsequent molts, often getting more white than they did once they are adults. There are a variety of good looking mottled birds that you can see with a quick google image search. Mottled Orpingtons and Javas are excellent birds to look at to see normal (not Exchequer Leghorns) mottling.

Question Easter Eggers are friendly, cuddley chickens right?

No, not always. Just like all people aren't cuddly and friendly. There are breed characteristics that you can say most Rhode Island Reds are good layers, or most Leghorns don't go broody. Because Easter Eggers are not actually a breed, they are a cross between any chicken breed and a breed that lays colored eggs you can't with any certainty claim that an EE will be a good layer, be a certain color, or even lay blue or green eggs. I have had some birds that are very sweet, Kimi for instance, my first EE pullet that was a Red Columbian color. She was an absolute doll. But I had other hens that were super stand-offish.

Everything that I get from you guys with the way you word things doesn't sound like help.

I honestly don't know what to say here. The majority of replies of been educated, well-spoken, and informative. Especially towards the beginning. As you continue to post and not listen, people's patience (mine included) tends to wane. It is very hard to continue without being short with you because you continuously come up with some random tidbit of information to support your claim which statistically is nearly impossible and much less likely than the more common theories and information the rest of us try to disseminate to you.

"I have a more detailed mind set that needs to be visually taught with things I can see rather the "Helpful" replies that redicuel against my way I understand things. I need guidenst, not "Hey, you can't make this with this, you're all wrong. You need this too make this."

I know there are many ways that people can learn. And if you are a visual learner that needs to see pictures I'm sure people don't mind spending the time to find them to teach you with. When you point blank refuse to take the information we give you and learn that's when people no longer have the time to waste (because that is effectively what it is at that point) on looking for pictures or more pertinent and correct information.

No one is trying to ridicule you, and certainly aren't ridiculing the way you learn. We are trying to teach you. You obviously want to learn and have the ability to do so. With a correct understanding of genetics there are a lot of things you can accomplish. As to the matter of "you're wrong; you need this to make this" there isn't any other way to say that information. You don't expect to cross a Welsummer (partridge) to a Light Brahma (columbian) and get Lavender Mottled birds. That's not how genes work. It's the same thing. If I pull all of the queens out of a deck of cards and shuffle them I don't expect to ever find a queen, no matter how many cards I pull out. I may find another face card, which is close, but not the same thing. It is the same way with genes. You can recombine them any number of ways, but if the gene isn't there, it's not going to be there.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[MysteryChicken]

No, that is not mottling. It may look like it is mottled, but it is not. Just like I can walk into Lowes or Home Depot and grab a bucket of white paint and get home only to discover it's eggshell or off-white. At a quick glance I thought it was white, but a more in-depth look at the label showed me what it really was.

I do not have the genetic prowess to explain the technicalities of what that little cockerel is but perhaps someone with more patience and a better understanding of genes and loci can explain it to you like @Cyprus, @The Moonshiner, or @nicalandia.



That little pullet is Blue Mottled. Or is at least is split to mottled, meaning she carries one copy of the gene. Did you hatch her or did you buy her from a breeder or a feed store? I spent thirty minutes trying to find progression photos of the same mottled bird taken every month until maturity and was unable to find anything to show you how the mottled gene expresses and changes throughout the molts leading up to a bird's adult feathering. Additionally, mottled birds change in subsequent molts, often getting more white than they did once they are adults. There are a variety of good looking mottled birds that you can see with a quick google image search. Mottled Orpingtons and Javas are excellent birds to look at to see normal (not Exchequer Leghorns) mottling.



No, not always. Just like all people aren't cuddly and friendly. There are breed characteristics that you can say most Rhode Island Reds are good layers, or most Leghorns don't go broody. Because Easter Eggers are not actually a breed, they are a cross between any chicken breed and a breed that lays colored eggs you can't with any certainty claim that an EE will be a good layer, be a certain color, or even lay blue or green eggs. I have had some birds that are very sweet, Kimi for instance, my first EE pullet that was a Red Columbian color. She was an absolute doll. But I had other hens that were super stand-offish.



I honestly don't know what to say here. The majority of replies of been educated, well-spoken, and informative. Especially towards the beginning. As you continue to post and not listen, people's patience (mine included) tends to wane. It is very hard to continue without being short with you because you continuously come up with some random tidbit of information to support your claim which statistically is nearly impossible and much less likely than the more common theories and information the rest of us try to disseminate to you.

"I have a more detailed mind set that needs to be visually taught with things I can see rather the "Helpful" replies that redicuel against my way I understand things. I need guidenst, not "Hey, you can't make this with this, you're all wrong. You need this too make this."

I know there are many ways that people can learn. And if you are a visual learner that needs to see pictures I'm sure people don't mind spending the time to find them to teach you with. When you point blank refuse to take the information we give you and learn that's when people no longer have the time to waste (because that is effectively what it is at that point) on looking for pictures or more pertinent and correct information.

No one is trying to ridicule you, and certainly aren't ridiculing the way you learn. We are trying to teach you. You obviously want to learn and have the ability to do so. With a correct understanding of genetics there are a lot of things you can accomplish. As to the matter of "you're wrong; you need this to make this" there isn't any other way to say that information. You don't expect to cross a Welsummer (partridge) to a Light Brahma (columbian) and get Lavender Mottled birds. That's not how genes work. It's the same thing. If I pull all of the queens out of a deck of cards and shuffle them I don't expect to ever find a queen, no matter how many cards I pull out. I may find another face card, which is close, but not the same thing. It is the same way with genes. You can recombine them any number of ways, but if the genes isn't there, it's not going to be there.

I hope that makes sense.

I hatched the blue colored chick with white belly, & face. What color will you call my black, & white chick?

 

[MysteryChicken]

No, that is not mottling. It may look like it is mottled, but it is not. Just like I can walk into Lowes or Home Depot and grab a bucket of white paint and get home only to discover it's eggshell or off-white. At a quick glance I thought it was white, but a more in-depth look at the label showed me what it really was.

I do not have the genetic prowess to explain the technicalities of what that little cockerel is but perhaps someone with more patience and a better understanding of genes and loci can explain it to you like @Cyprus, @The Moonshiner, or @nicalandia.



That little pullet is Blue Mottled. Or is at least is split to mottled, meaning she carries one copy of the gene. Did you hatch her or did you buy her from a breeder or a feed store? I spent thirty minutes trying to find progression photos of the same mottled bird taken every month until maturity and was unable to find anything to show you how the mottled gene expresses and changes throughout the molts leading up to a bird's adult feathering. Additionally, mottled birds change in subsequent molts, often getting more white than they did once they are adults. There are a variety of good looking mottled birds that you can see with a quick google image search. Mottled Orpingtons and Javas are excellent birds to look at to see normal (not Exchequer Leghorns) mottling.



No, not always. Just like all people aren't cuddly and friendly. There are breed characteristics that you can say most Rhode Island Reds are good layers, or most Leghorns don't go broody. Because Easter Eggers are not actually a breed, they are a cross between any chicken breed and a breed that lays colored eggs you can't with any certainty claim that an EE will be a good layer, be a certain color, or even lay blue or green eggs. I have had some birds that are very sweet, Kimi for instance, my first EE pullet that was a Red Columbian color. She was an absolute doll. But I had other hens that were super stand-offish.



I honestly don't know what to say here. The majority of replies of been educated, well-spoken, and informative. Especially towards the beginning. As you continue to post and not listen, people's patience (mine included) tends to wane. It is very hard to continue without being short with you because you continuously come up with some random tidbit of information to support your claim which statistically is nearly impossible and much less likely than the more common theories and information the rest of us try to disseminate to you.

"I have a more detailed mind set that needs to be visually taught with things I can see rather the "Helpful" replies that redicuel against my way I understand things. I need guidenst, not "Hey, you can't make this with this, you're all wrong. You need this too make this."

I know there are many ways that people can learn. And if you are a visual learner that needs to see pictures I'm sure people don't mind spending the time to find them to teach you with. When you point blank refuse to take the information we give you and learn that's when people no longer have the time to waste (because that is effectively what it is at that point) on looking for pictures or more pertinent and correct information.

No one is trying to ridicule you, and certainly aren't ridiculing the way you learn. We are trying to teach you. You obviously want to learn and have the ability to do so. With a correct understanding of genetics there are a lot of things you can accomplish. As to the matter of "you're wrong; you need this to make this" there isn't any other way to say that information. You don't expect to cross a Welsummer (partridge) to a Light Brahma (columbian) and get Lavender Mottled birds. That's not how genes work. It's the same thing. If I pull all of the queens out of a deck of cards and shuffle them I don't expect to ever find a queen, no matter how many cards I pull out. I may find another face card, which is close, but not the same thing. It is the same way with genes. You can recombine them any number of ways, but if the genes isn't there, it's not going to be there.

I hope that makes sense.

Have you seen the stuff cypress has said to me?

 

[Cyprus]

So, honey, here we meet again.

My MOTTLED Serama. Time profession

3 months old

8 months old

 

[MysteryChicken]

So, honey, here we meet again.

My MOTTLED Serama. Time profession

3 months old
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8 months old
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My black and white chick has the classic mottled feathers.

Like the one shown on the chart, will post updates today, soon.
Forgot to mention. The chick is a Silver Duckwing mottled pattern.

 

[nicalandia]

I know I shouldn't. I really shouldn't, but I just can't help myself.

You really shouldn't.

 

[The Moonshiner]

You really shouldn't.

I disagree.
I think the post was dead on and very well written.
My exact thoughts as well.

 

[ColtHandorf]

Have you seen the stuff cypress has said to me?

Yes, and quite honestly it's because her patience is lost due to your unresponsive manner when it comes to anything other than defending your assumptions about the chickens you are actually asking for advice and comments on. The reason I don't come off that way is because I don't get short when I get angry and write "floral-y" anyway. So my long responses don't come off as annoyed or frustrated.

I hatched the blue colored chick with white belly, & face.

What are the parents of that blue mottled pullet?

What color will you call my black, & white chick?

I know one of the parents is an Mille Fleur something and the other a Duckwing OEGB. Are the parents Mille Fleur d'Uccle and Silver or Gold Duckwing OEGB?

MOTTLED Serama. Time progression

This is an excellent example of time progression showing how the mottling changes. It's a little different looking because she is frizzled. And of course no two mottled birds look quite the same because of the nature of mottling.

There's no reason to feel threatened and fight over a bunch of chickens. If you want to believe your own independent research rather than the advice of the people here that you are asking for help from them so be it. But don't continue to ask for help if it's not actually wanted or appreciated.

My black and white chick has the classic mottled feathers.

You use this image a lot to support your claims. That little OEGB cross bird is not mottled whether a feather or two appear that way or not. Genetically it is impossible. Duckwing OEGB do not carry a gene for mottling. If Mille Fleur is based on the mottling gene as I believe it is then the cockerel is split for mottled. He may express one or two feathers into adulthood but generally he will molt out of any visually mottled feathers which is common.