Post Your Chocolates, Dun ,Khaki , Platinum Bird Pics

[nicalandia]

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Wow.. talk about melanizers.. he is Almost Black, nice. sumatras are know to have this kind of melanizers

below bird is not mine but a heavely melanized Dun sumatra hen

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if these are the only possible parents then I can safely say he is Platinum Blue. but he has chocolate colored pyle sones. how can you have a self Platinum Blue colored bird? you need to get Melanotic gene out.

 

[smoothmule]

Henk,
Thank you, I moved the blue looking pullet to the blue pen

I was sure she was blue this summer but in different lighting she was so different, she is by my blue wheaten rooster but he's also a full sibling to my chocolate carrier so I wasn't sure. I am pretty sure I have some recesive chocolates, some pumpkin diluted and blues so together I am getting some pretty interesting phenotype. I didn't work today so I took some photo's in natural lighting.

The little frizzled pullet isn't from my flock. She comes from proven chocolates that breed as recessive chocolate should so until I prove her different by breeding I will consider her chocolate.

My chocolate mottled hen at the bottom of the photo's I posted is out of my chocolate hen Truffles (deceased) and my chocolate carrier rooster T-Roo so I'm pretty sure she's real. I have been looking hard at her feathering and something isn't quite right?? does she look a little silkied feathered to anyone else?? This one "should" be recessive chocolate.
Dottie

The lighter "chocolate?" pullet I named Sahara is in question with me too and may be a combo of wheaten, pumpkin diluter and blue. Does it sound possible to you?
Sahara

Here is one I bought that I've posted on the Coop. Candi is a young hen I bought from the same breeder I bought Truffles so there is no pumpkin or blue in her background from what I've seen at his place. Could be something totally different but I have her with my chocolate carrying rooster T-Roo now and she's laying so I'll update when I have some chicks hatched from this cross. Is she chocolate or melanized black or something else?
Candie

Here is that blue pullet, taken today in natural light outside....there is no denying she is blue now so I named her Sapphire.
Sapphire

 

[jeremy]

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So... you're saying he IS Platinum?

Or are you still saying he is Blue?

Also, how do I get the Melanotic gene(s) out?

 

[nicalandia]

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So... you're saying he IS Platinum? ?

Yes...

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well most sumatra I have seen have Melanotic in them, and could could also carry Pg.

they only way possible is out crossing to similar breeds that don't carry melanotic and then do F1xF1 and select for the ones without melanotic on the F2s... it will take time, BUT that's the only way I see of you having Solid Platinum Blue sumatras..

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

jeremy,
post all the progress pics you have of his developmet. so they can see him in the various stages of his growth. There were some you posted where dun tones were super present in another thread, he seems to change colors in every one you put up... anyway that may help. I had always though he didnt look like Henks platinum birds, but with the potential parents he had??? anyway, show them all the pics and see what they think

 

[tadkerson]

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to me he looks lika a Rusty Blue(Light Blue) but I could be wrong., some Blues can show Rustiness only on the Pyle areas, but a few of them show what I call whole budy Rustiness, what causes this? I don't know, so far rustiness has not been studied in depth enough. I believe that light blue seem to show more rustines than Dark Blue. being based on gold is another factor..


below image is something I made using the computer program "paint" just to show you how whole buddy rustiness looks,

on the left is your bird, on the right one is a andalusian blue rooster showing rustines and budy rustines and the one at the bottom is showing an extreme case of Rustines, seems like he could also have Mahogany in him making the color stand out more

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/Rustiness1.jpg


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Tim how does Body Rustines occurs?

Thanks

Depends on the E locus of the bird and the other genes that would interact with the e locus.

Whole body rustiness would be a loss of function by the E locus allele.


Tim

 

[nicalandia]

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Thanks Tim..

what are you thoughts on my theory?

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Just hold your breath for a sec... I think there is a Genetic Possibility for a Platinum Blue rooster to show Chocolate colored Pyle areas... give me some time and I'll post how can this be possible

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[jeremy]

1 day old.

About a week old.

Approximately 1 1/2-2 months?

2 1/12-3 months?

4 months?

4 1/2 months?

5 months?

51/2 months?

He turned 6 months old on November 15th, I'm still not home but I will try to get some more photos this evening.

 

[tadkerson]

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Thanks Tim..

what are you thoughts on my theory?

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Just hold your breath for a sec... I think there is a Genetic Possibility for a Platinum Blue rooster to show Chocolate colored Pyle areas... give me some time and I'll post how can this be possible

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I see your reasoning but the body of the bird should reflect the dilution by both genes the dun gene and the blue gene. I am not seeing this in the bird. The pyle zone color could be caused by the dun gene but it can also be caused by the male being heterozygous E/? and it only carries one melanotic gene.

The pictures of the male bird in question.

The addition of red pigment over time is typical of male birds that are heterozygous extended black and homozygous gold. This addition of red color over time is especially visible in red pyle males. Red pyle males are not extended black but you still see the addition of red in them.

Tim

 

[Henk69]

Well, that 0.1 % of mine may stretch a little...

A dun rooster on a blue hen would give you:
25% dun
25% blue
25% platinum
25% black

Like Tim said I would expect the combined diluter effect on the body color.
But I already bred a hen that started out as a dun and now could pass for a blue.
Theoretically one could breed a chocolate laced blue andalusian with chocolate pyle zones, yes.

If the cockerel has dun he should have a brownish underfluff.
Take a good look at the dark splashes eg on the tail. Are they black or chocolate?
Look for flecks hidden from the sun.

Testmating him to black would do, or breed a few more from his parents.