Predators and the Moral Dilemma

[Manningjw]

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I don't see why your neighbor being english as a second(or third/fourth/fifth/eighth) language is relavent other than the fact you felt the need to mention it.

Also one should be aware in most areas it is illegal to shoot an animal with a less than lethal weapon such as a pellet gun, he likely can press charges against you or contact the authorities to press animal abuse charges.

I do not dissagree with eliminating a threat to live stock/pets/family/property given that the owner has taken the proper precautions to protect that property. If someone has NO fence around their yard and has free ranging chickens, that is partly their own fault for not protecting their pets as well as the fault of the dog owner for not following leash laws. I have seen many people mention that they will shoot any dog for just being on their property, regardless if the animal is posing a threat or not and their yard is not fenced - those are the people I have issue with. Killing a dog that is posing a threat and you have taken measures to protect your flock is a different story and something i do not have issue with so long as no laws are broken.

We have a responsibility to deal kindly with one another, as people, we shouldn't forget that regardless of ones own bias.

 

[slim1986]

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I don't see why your neighbor being english as a second(or third/fourth/fifth/eighth) language is relavent other than the fact you felt the need to mention it.

Also one should be aware in most areas it is illegal to shoot an animal with a less than lethal weapon such as a pellet gun, he likely can press charges against you or contact the authorities to press animal abuse charges.

I do not dissagree with eliminating a threat to live stock/pets/family/property given that the owner has taken the proper precautions to protect that property. If someone has NO fence around their yard and has free ranging chickens, that is partly their own fault for not protecting their pets as well as the fault of the dog owner for not following leash laws. I have seen many people mention that they will shoot any dog for just being on their property, regardless if the animal is posing a threat or not and their yard is not fenced - those are the people I have issue with. Killing a dog that is posing a threat and you have taken measures to protect your flock is a different story and something i do not have issue with so long as no laws are broken.

We have a responsibility to deal kindly with one another, as people, we shouldn't forget that regardless of ones own bias.

Well like OG43 said, he added the way his neighbor talked to be descriptive...... It wasn't his bias, he was painting a picture with words.

 

[chickened]

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I don't see why your neighbor being english as a second(or third/fourth/fifth/eighth) language is relavent other than the fact you felt the need to mention it. Also one should be aware in most areas it is illegal to shoot an animal with a less than lethal weapon such as a pellet gun, he likely can press charges against you or contact the authorities to press animal abuse charges.

I do not dissagree with eliminating a threat to live stock/pets/family/property given that the owner has taken the proper precautions to protect that property. If someone has NO fence around their yard and has free ranging chickens, that is partly their own fault for not protecting their pets as well as the fault of the dog owner for not following leash laws. I have seen many people mention that they will shoot any dog for just being on their property, regardless if the animal is posing a threat or not and their yard is not fenced - those are the people I have issue with. Killing a dog that is posing a threat and you have taken measures to protect your flock is a different story and something i do not have issue with so long as no laws are broken.

We have a responsibility to deal kindly with one another, as people, we shouldn't forget that regardless of ones own bias.

 

[Manningjw]

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I understand how my post could be read to say otherwise but that is not what I intended. By personal bias I am referring to our enjoyment of chickens which would leave us appalled if someone shot one of our chickens merely for being in their yard but are perfectly willing to the same to someone else's pet. I feel the need to emphasize again, I have no issue with protecting your flock with lethal force when they are being attacked/killed and you have taken appropriate measures of prevention, I would do the same. I have just read so many posts by people saying they will kill any dog simply for being in their unfenced yard because dogs = predators. I love both chickens and dogs, I would be devestated if someone shot either one of mine simply for getting lose which has happened on rare occasions.

You know i kind of have to concede, I could see the bit about muttering in spanish as being important to the story because he likely wasn't saying anything nice, and I personally find it disrespectful when someone uses their knowledge of language strictly for that purpose.

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When the physical discription is included it is done so for identification purposes, I have never seen this labeled as racial profiling by any political party even if you think that party is narcissitic, which doesn't even make sense in this context. Our own political views or group attacks against a particular political party labeling them as having mental illness I don't see as being appropriate for these message boards.

 

[Clay Mudd]

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When the physical discription is included it is done so for identification purposes, I have never seen this labeled as racial profiling by any political party even if you think that party is narcissitic, which doesn't even make sense in this context. Our own political views or group attacks against a particular political party labeling them as having mental illness I don't see as being appropriate for these message boards.

Oh, good. I thought it was just me. Glad somebody else thought it was a bit of a non sequitur.

 

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[Gargoyle]

There are countless places on the interwebs to debate and promote political agendas. There are very few to discuss poultry issues. Lets protect this place.

 

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Sorry definitely off topic.

 

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If my dog is killing a neighbors animal it is because I am irresponsible and expect to lose my dog. How my neighbor handles the situation is not my business... that is the country way.

In Oregon there is a leash law and the dog owner is at fault if his dog is loose...period.

My bias and opinions do not apply on my neighbors land, I respect thier rights and property and one of those rights are to protect thier stock. I usually suggest people move back to the city when they tell me what to do on my land or how I deal with stray dogs. Or I go to thier home find something I disagree with and tell them to do it differently to illistrate my point (for them that do not get it).

I usually do the SSS if they even just come on my property which is fenced, they belong at home not running at large. My dogs are like my kids I KNOW where they are at at all times.