puppy chicken killer

[McGoo]

JesseJames,
I've got a lab/shepherd puppy - now 51/2 mos. She chases the chickens when they run away and would most likely kills them while playing if I let her have her way.

I recommend keeping the young dog in a location where she can't be near them when you're away. I know it's a hassle. I'm now using a 20' lead and I bring her with me when I'm doing the chores. I don't think it's that they're 'chicken killers' - I think it's that they want to play and the chickens run and play. that said, some dogs can't stop.

What about putting the chickens in an electric fence for a little while and then maybe once the dog gets a good jolt she'll associate chickens with pain and steer clear??? Just a though with this tough situation.

 

[SangaChicken]

Welcome to BYC. Sorry you kinda got jumped on, it was out of line. I read on here, by a very prolific BYC poster that the next time your dog kills a chicken.. tie the dog on a 12 inch cord with the dead chicken laying next to it. Don't let the dog off for a couple of days, for any reason (Of course, give it food or water). Every time you walk by the dog, hit it with the dead chicken (This won't actually damage the dog just get the point across). Almost as imporantly as not having it's butt kicked, dogs want to please humans. By doing this, it will force the dog to be faced, uncomfortably, with what it did. And realize that it greatly displeases you. Making you unhappy, and dealing with the smell of death (Only scavengers like decay, predators HATE it), and not being able to escape it.. should set the dog straight. Unfortunately, another chicken may have to go to make this work (Which I'm not suggesting).

I've done this, and it has worked.

 

[Brindlebtch]

We shouldn't be posting on this thread to condemn JesseJames or to jump on each other for various training methods.

Back in the day, dog training was done very roughly and that was acceptable at the time. Even obedience was trained roughly using the Koehler method, which has since gone out of fashion.

A lot of people still use physical methods to train their dogs and depending on the culture and how that person was raised training methods can vary wildly. Different people have different values. Don't insult someone because you don't approve of their dog training method.

 

[jessejames]

i doe seem like alot of you are using the dead chicken tequinque seeing as jack has eaten and then thrown up the chickens he has killed i am not sure he wouldnt just eat it
it think i am going to have to play it by ear hear keep a close eye on him around the barnyard and keep him with me or locked up the rest of the time
hopefully overtime he will come to realize the chickens are more valubale to us alive than dead

 

[Garden Gal]

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A lot of people used to do a lot of things which we would no longer tolerate. I don't like to see children, the elderly or animals abused and am not ashamed or apologetic about coming to their defense. If something is right - it is right, and if something is wrong, it is wrong. I should have worded my response less emphatically, and for that I do apologize.

 

[Cara]

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From a dog psychology perspective this method is completely illogical. Dogs don't think like humans, and they do not feel guilt. They think in the present. Of course it will look sorry for itself, they are superb at reading human body language and will be upset at the poor treatment they are receiving. Sure they're upset at having a dead chicken attached to them, who wouldn't be?! Are you teaching them to leave a live chicken alone? No. Are you teaching them you can be a jerk and you're not to be trusted? Sure.

Hitting a dog with an object may not physically harm it, but doing so with sensitive dogs will certainly harm your relationship with the dog. Many breeds will not tolerate aggressive rough handling; Border Collies, Shetland Sheepdogs many of the hounds (Deerhounds,Whippets, Wolfhounds, Bloodhounds, Bassets), Poodles, Chihuahuas, Newfoundlands, Great Danes... the list goes on. Of course there are also sensitive individuals in any breed. Treating them this way will result in shyness at best, submissive urination and nervous aggression at worst. You can't beat obedience into a dog, only anxiety and fear. Take the time to train them well and provide a safe environment when you can't monitor their behavior, don't suddenly flip your lid when your dog acts like a dog.

 

[Garden Gal]

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From a dog psychology perspective this method is completely illogical. Dogs don't think like humans, and they do not feel guilt. They think in the present. Of course it will look sorry for itself, they are superb at reading human body language and will be upset at the poor treatment they are receiving. Sure they're upset at having a dead chicken attached to them, who wouldn't be?! Are you teaching them to leave a live chicken alone? No. Are you teaching them you can be a jerk and you're not to be trusted? Sure.

Hitting a dog with an object may not physically harm it, but doing so with sensitive dogs will certainly harm your relationship with the dog. Many breeds will not tolerate aggressive rough handling; Border Collies, Shetland Sheepdogs many of the hounds (Deerhounds,Whippets, Wolfhounds, Bloodhounds, Bassets), Poodles, Chihuahuas, Newfoundlands, Great Danes... the list goes on. Of course there are also sensitive individuals in any breed. Treating them this way will result in shyness at best, submissive urination and nervous aggression at worst. You can't beat obedience into a dog, only anxiety and fear. Take the time to train them well and provide a safe environment when you can't monitor their behavior, don't suddenly flip your lid when your dog acts like a dog.

You said this sooo much better than did I.

 

[jammo]

Get rid of the dog once a chicken killer always a chicken killer they will always go for the blood sory to hear about your loss can you say 22

 

[chicamama]

on another note (and I have not read every post in this thread) I just got a Cattle Dog pup. Now, she comes from ranch stock and they actually herd cattle, but yesterday, she was herding the chickens.

Would that be a big no no. I kind of thought it might be useful getting them locked in at end of day.

Dumb idea?

 

[Chickens in Elmwood]

Umm...anything that involves me sniffing, touching or otherwise messing with a rotten, maggot filled chicken is definitely not on my "to do list"...am I alone in this?