Questions about owning horses

You shouldn't get an animal you can't guarantee to care for its whole life.

Sooo . . . Sunny would be better off dead rather than living with me? That's the alternative; she was somewhat overweight and persistently lame when the people that owned her decided to stop hemorrhaging money and shut down their business. Lame horses are basically unsellable; she was headed for a charity auction if I hadn't taken her. Even in the name of charity, how many people are going to spend money for an obviously lame horse? It's pretty much a given that she'd have taken a long, horrible, one-way trip to a Mexican slaughterhouse if I hadn't taken her. And I have to admit, during the months immediately following my decision, watching her limping across the pasture, I wondered if she wouldn't have been better off dead rather than living in pain. But gradually, the extra weight came off, and her metabolism stabilized; the morning I saw her come tearing across the pasture, bucking and striking out playfully is something I will treasure until the day that I die. That isn't the end of the story, of course; while she spends most of her time usefully sound, her stupidly small feet and thin soles mean she sometimes gets sore again, sometimes for weeks at a time. But since horses live in the moment, I think that, by and large, she is content with her life.

And I guess I shouldn't have stepped forward when Betsy the mini-mule's owner decided she was too much trouble and was giving her away? At 9, she had a reputation for being difficult if not impossible to deal with, an absolute and total BRAT. Betsy hadn't been here for two weeks before I figured out that, rather than being stubborn and defiant, she was simply ignorant and fearful. I don't know how many of the far more experienced horse people around here would have had the patience and perspective to hear what the animal was trying to say, rather than fight with her and try to dominate her. She's been with me for 10 years now, and while we have our moments, nobody who sees us together can miss the bond we have. She's 19 now, and I'm looking hard at 60. Mules are often surprisingly long-lived; she could last another 20 years - how likely is it that an 80 year old woman will still be able to trim her feet? And though it would break my heart to load her onto someone else's trailer and walk away, the idea of having her killed simply because I could no longer afford to feed her is unbearable.

I can't be sure that I will draw my next breath. I live in a community with one of the worst traffic accident rates in the state, and daily drive on a road that has some of the worst traffic in town. It's an act of faith to get behind the wheel and assume that I will get where I was intending to go; people around here don't on a daily basis. Even if I didn't get killed, I could be put in a position where I couldn't care for myself, let alone my animals, for a long time (or even forever). Should I not have any animals, simply because life can happen?:idunno
 
I am considering scaling down myself... But that whole farrier thing has me beat. Unless I can learn to do interem trims then trailer out to a real farrier.... I just dont know.

Where Katee is their farrier is a family friend and he loves Katee. But To be honest one inch thick hoof walls takes special equipment.... She sheds her sole at eight weeks almost exactly .... I could follow up if I had the strentgth... Or even with power equipment...

So we will see.

deb
 
Yep its long distance communication... and you have to have a good idea of what your horse needs.... But.... here is the big one. YOu can tell if they are using their haunches properly and encourage hip engagement.... I could turn my Gelding hitched to the cart and leave a circle in the dirt one foot in diameter.... Cant counterflex for that nor can they have stiff shoulders and back..... either. deb

I think this is why I had such a hard time with it. I'm used to feeling the horse's movement, communicating just by shifting my weight in the seat and not having to use a brake or make sure you fit through something LOL!

The first time I drove I was an assistant to a German trainer and he handed me the reins to a 6 year old Friesian stallion, who proceeded to kick out and bent the trace. (I think that's what it's called.) The bar that runs along side the horse. Anyway, the trainer muttered some German swear words and got down and fixed whatever was wrong. He was a really cocky stallion though (and smart), so I kind of wasn't surprised that he took advantage of the situation!
 
I think this is why I had such a hard time with it. I'm used to feeling the horse's movement, communicating just by shifting my weight in the seat and not having to use a brake or make sure you fit through something LOL!

The first time I drove I was an assistant to a German trainer and he handed me the reins to a 6 year old Friesian stallion, who proceeded to kick out and bent the trace. (I think that's what it's called.) The bar that runs along side the horse. Anyway, the trainer muttered some German swear words and got down and fixed whatever was wrong. He was a really cocky stallion though (and smart), so I kind of wasn't surprised that he took advantage of the situation!
scary hunh

I would never have accepted the reins for driving a stallion.

But The part he bent was probably one of the shafts... The Traces are made of leather ....

deb
 
IN case anyone is curious the following is a combined driving event. The Marathon part. At one point in my life I wanted to design and build these Carriages or Carriages that can be used for training. Lesser price point.


And I believe we have Hijacked this thread long enough. my apologies to the op.

deb
 
You know what, though? They are starting to follow dressage fasion with extreme head, neck positions and insane amounts of bridle. They are not the leaders they were.
IMHO and many others agree From FEI on down. this is NOT Classical....

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I have no idea where this started.... but classical Dressage is about lightness and partnership with the horse. NOT extreme obedience.... Nor is pushing a horse beyond its phyisical limits without proper training and Physiological conditioning.

So yes its considered dressage but not classical dressage.

I am seeing something similar in the draft horse world.... Big heavy feet... Training with chain bands or Wooden beads on leather around the coronary band.. So each time they put their feet down the bead or chain strikes the nerves around the top of the foot. Encouraging them to pick their feet up quickly for the next step. Increasing action.

Western world also Draw reins used to produce something similar as above Producing what is called Peanut Rollers.... Years ago the same result was achieved by using the back end of the whip to whack them between the ears to make them lower their head. Rules changed and it was outlawed....

Same goes for cutting the nerves in the tail to disallow the horse movement of their tail while working...

Oh I could go on.... All show tricks I wont justify them as calling them training aids... All show tricks to me are abhorrent.... and I am not talking about simple things like draw reins.... I am talking about Quickening, Banding, Ginger ... Wire around the coronary band.... you name it.


deb
 
You know what, though? They are starting to follow dressage fasion with extreme head, neck positions and insane amounts of bridle. They are not the leaders they were.

All the young horses should be in a snaffle while the older, more advanced horses (haute ecole) will be in your double bridles. So that is very common and traditionally used. I can't really think of anything that would be added to make an insane amount though. Do you have any pictures?
 
Oh I could go on.... All show tricks I wont justify them as calling them training aids... All show tricks to me are abhorrent.... and I am not talking about simple things like draw reins.... I am talking about Quickening, Banding, Ginger ... Wire around the coronary band.... you name it.


deb

Don't leave out Hanging. Watching what wins ribbons can turn the stomach because you KNOW the end result didn't come from anything positive for the horse.
 
Sooo . . . Sunny would be better off dead rather than living with me? That's the alternative; she was somewhat overweight and persistently lame when the people that owned her decided to stop hemorrhaging money and shut down their business. Lame horses are basically unsellable; she was headed for a charity auction if I hadn't taken her. Even in the name of charity, how many people are going to spend money for an obviously lame horse? It's pretty much a given that she'd have taken a long, horrible, one-way trip to a Mexican slaughterhouse if I hadn't taken her. And I have to admit, during the months immediately following my decision, watching her limping across the pasture, I wondered if she wouldn't have been better off dead rather than living in pain. But gradually, the extra weight came off, and her metabolism stabilized; the morning I saw her come tearing across the pasture, bucking and striking out playfully is something I will treasure until the day that I die. That isn't the end of the story, of course; while she spends most of her time usefully sound, her stupidly small feet and thin soles mean she sometimes gets sore again, sometimes for weeks at a time. But since horses live in the moment, I think that, by and large, she is content with her life.

And I guess I shouldn't have stepped forward when Betsy the mini-mule's owner decided she was too much trouble and was giving her away? At 9, she had a reputation for being difficult if not impossible to deal with, an absolute and total BRAT. Betsy hadn't been here for two weeks before I figured out that, rather than being stubborn and defiant, she was simply ignorant and fearful. I don't know how many of the far more experienced horse people around here would have had the patience and perspective to hear what the animal was trying to say, rather than fight with her and try to dominate her. She's been with me for 10 years now, and while we have our moments, nobody who sees us together can miss the bond we have. She's 19 now, and I'm looking hard at 60. Mules are often surprisingly long-lived; she could last another 20 years - how likely is it that an 80 year old woman will still be able to trim her feet? And though it would break my heart to load her onto someone else's trailer and walk away, the idea of having her killed simply because I could no longer afford to feed her is unbearable.

I can't be sure that I will draw my next breath. I live in a community with one of the worst traffic accident rates in the state, and daily drive on a road that has some of the worst traffic in town. It's an act of faith to get behind the wheel and assume that I will get where I was intending to go; people around here don't on a daily basis. Even if I didn't get killed, I could be put in a position where I couldn't care for myself, let alone my animals, for a long time (or even forever). Should I not have any animals, simply because life can happen?:idunno
I think you missed my point. You rescued those animals. From people who got them and threw them away when they were done. And obviously you can't account death into account because accidents happen, you don't know when you're going to die, but you take them in because you're giving them a life while you are alive. I'm all for rescuing animals, I have a fair amount of rescues myself from the slaughterhouse, but we got those animals knowing that we are going to take care of them. That's clearly what you did with your horse and your mule. I don't understand exactly what point you're attempting to make because you got these animals that you are planning on caring for the rest of their lives. Their PREVIOUS owners are at fault here, for getting an animal and not being committed to caring for it and throwing it away. All I was trying to say is animals aren't a commodity that you pick up and buy one day and then not care for it.
 

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