Rabbit breeders, help identifing blue eyed rabbit

[taraann81]

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At all 4-h shows there is a class for DQed animals.

nope. Not in the counties I have shown at there wasn't. There is only one that I know of that has a mixed breed pet rabbit class. Everybody else does things according to the latest ARBA standard of perfection.

I am confused I want my son to get into 4H this year. Here is a pic of our doublemaned lilace lionhead. We just wanted him to learn about the husbandry and care of rabbits. Can he not do this in most places because she is a lionhead?

 

[chinbunny]

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nope. Not in the counties I have shown at there wasn't. There is only one that I know of that has a mixed breed pet rabbit class. Everybody else does things according to the latest ARBA standard of perfection.

I am confused I want my son to get into 4H this year. Here is a pic of our doublemaned lilace lionhead. We just wanted him to learn about the husbandry and care of rabbits. Can he not do this in most places because she is a lionhead?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/27498_bunny_001.jpg

That would be up to the superintendants in charge of the show. Call and ask them if they will allow lion heads to be shown. Also look in your fairbook and see what type of classes they have that it would be entered in. some break it down by breeds. Others don't.

 

[taraann81]

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I am confused I want my son to get into 4H this year. Here is a pic of our doublemaned lilace lionhead. We just wanted him to learn about the husbandry and care of rabbits. Can he not do this in most places because she is a lionhead?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/27498_bunny_001.jpg

That would be up to the superintendants in charge of the show. Call and ask them if they will allow lion heads to be shown. Also look in your fairbook and see what type of classes they have that it would be entered in. some break it down by breeds. Others don't.

Chinnbunny, I am sorry to put yet another question on you as you seem very knowledgeable and I know I could ask local 4 H leaders(but there done here until Feb) so I don't want to be a pet. But to show in 4 H must all bunnies have a pedigree. If my son would do poorly with our lilac lion head doe or our smoked pearl lion head buck, may he do better with our unregistered REW flemish?

We are also very new to this and any advise is appreciated.

 

[highcountrychickens]

THAT may be the sweetest thing I have seen all MONTH!!! I didn't know there was such a thing as a lionhead bunny... I thought you pulled it off the pages of Alice in Wonderland! Oh my GOODNESS that is a dear creature!

Chinbunny... take it easy, standards are standards, but it's okay for folks to see the warmer side of things... Whether you think they do in your neck of the woods or not, clearly it exists in other places, for very justifiable reasons.
I grew up riding in a chapter of the American Pony Club where a large number of kids rode cowhorses - they were safe, well cared for and perfectly turned out for horse shows, and values of competition and sportsmanship and responsibility and fun and love of the sport were all the things that all of us remember now as adults - not whether somebody had breeds with conformation standards of AQHA or the Jockey Club or the USET or the American Hunt Club...

Anyway... Very exciting about your new rabbit! He's beautiful!

 

[taraann81]

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Hiighcountrychickens!!! If your talking about my bunny, I have to agree that she may be the cutest bunny of all time!!! Her name is pixie, if your no talking about mine well then I'm hanging my head in shame!!!


Chinnbunny.......I have just recently gotten into rabbits as you may know. But I must say from what you and gypsy and others have said I feel alot more confident in my bunny practices! Chinbunny, People just take you wrong! Now when I read your posts I see you as a very knbowledable and supportive side kick in bunny husbandry! You just sometimes come off as a jerk!!(please allow a respected follower to call you that with out offense)! I guess perhaps I've said enough with the only real meaning, to follow the experts advice in here.

 

[RabbitMage]

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But, see Pony Club is very different from a rabbit show. Imagine if some kid bought an old cow horse and rode it and worked with it and groomed it and loved it for a year, then took it to a Pony Club meet, and the superintendent said "Sorry kiddo, no cowhorses allowed. We're not going to let you ride today." That kid would be crushed.

KNOWINGLY selling a kid a rabbit that may not be showable when you know they intend to show it? Simply not cool. There's nothing wrong with pet rabbits, but an experience like that isn't going to teach a kid much beyond the fact that adults can be dishonest and uncaring.

 

[chinbunny]

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Hiighcountrychickens!!! If your talking about my bunny, I have to agree that she may be the cutest bunny of all time!!! Her name is pixie, if your no talking about mine well then I'm hanging my head in shame!!!


Chinnbunny.......I have just recently gotten into rabbits as you may know. But I must say from what you and gypsy and others have said I feel alot more confident in my bunny practices! Chinbunny, People just take you wrong! Now when I read your posts I see you as a very knbowledable and supportive side kick in bunny husbandry! You just sometimes come off as a jerk!!(please allow a respected follower to call you that with out offense)! I guess perhaps I've said enough with the only real meaning, to follow the experts advice in here.

None taken. Yeah people kind of read into my comments a bit there. You can't tell what the person on the other end is feeling just by how they write. No intention to come off as offensive. Just to educate. having been there and done that with 4h animals, I can say its best to start with the best you can possibly get. The bunny will make a nice pet. idon't know if I would use it for breeding because of those white spots, unless you are just breeding for pets. I don't know much about the vienna gene.

 

[chinbunny]

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From my understanding you can show just about anything with horses. Rabbits are entirely different ball game. The show standards are a lot different then they are with horses. ARBA rules are fairly strict. The animal to represent its breed, and be free from disqualifications. Solid colored rabbits with small white spots on them will get disqualified. They are the most thoroughly judged animal besides cats, dogs, and birds(poultry and pets). With fairs you have an all breed show set up like an ARBA show. Some do allow the mixed breed classes. Most don't. even if its a 4h animal, you would still want something that will have a chance of doing very well. Knowingly selling an animal with a dq to a 4her only discourages them. These rabbits do make good pets, but not very good show animals.

No they don't have to have a pedigree in order to be shown. Though some fairs do require them. ARBA shows don't.

 

[chinbunny]

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That would be up to the superintendants in charge of the show. Call and ask them if they will allow lion heads to be shown. Also look in your fairbook and see what type of classes they have that it would be entered in. some break it down by breeds. Others don't.

Chinnbunny, I am sorry to put yet another question on you as you seem very knowledgeable and I know I could ask local 4 H leaders(but there done here until Feb) so I don't want to be a pet. But to show in 4 H must all bunnies have a pedigree. If my son would do poorly with our lilac lion head doe or our smoked pearl lion head buck, may he do better with our unregistered REW flemish?

We are also very new to this and any advise is appreciated.

I would still ask the superintendants if the bunny can be shown. Some fairs will allow show quality lion heads to exibit in their shows.

 

[darkorchid]

Some 4 H events have Pet Classes, which this rabbit in color question would fall into.
Plus some 4 H units also carry a husbandry events for kids who can not afford to have top quality rabbits but would still like to learn.
Massachusettes is one of those type 4 H
Some 4 H Shows do not make it mandatory they be "Show Quality" most are not even sanctioned by ARBA unless coupled with an open Showing.

The Bunny is a Siamese Sable Vienna Marked, meaning Carrys the Blue Eyed Gene, either mother or father was a Blue Eyed White. Definately NOT a Tan, type, Tan would be black on top and red underneath.
perfect for breeding the Blue eyed white Lion Heads.


BTW, I am Gypsy had to change user names due to the site not taking my password for my real name.