Rant about DH...

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I would say that I would love to meet her, but between her and her DH, I would probably be afraid of appearing stupid
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No offense welsummerchicks, I think the world of you! I just think I would bore you to tears very rapidly...
 
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WOW! welsummerchick,you really have it together.
You remind me of those motivational speakers.You really have it covered about depression. I knew there would be ppl on here with great advice.
welsummer if you don't mind me asking what was the outcome of your family member? If you don't answer no problem.

Frosty... I really hope things work out for you.Sometimes you do go through several counselors before you find the right fit.

Orchid -that's a great ideal about them moving close to the ocean.
 
What was the outcome of the family member? Suicide.

I don't see it that way cassie. Not everyone's problems are trivial and not everyone is just complaining and whining. And no, not every suicide is taking 'the easy way out'. Sorry, but life is just not quite that black and white simple.

The answer to everything is not always to simply not help unless they 'help themselves'. Sometimes the disease makes it so they can't help themselves. The whole trick is in knowing how much to help and in what ways it's best to help. Trying to take over and do too much is just as bad as not helping at all. There's a very, very fine line with helping, between overdoing and under-doing.

I'm still learning, still making mistakes. But that's why there are experts around to help us!

As far as being smart , I'm still puzzling over how to handle my asthma after 15 years. I feel like a moron.
 
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I am going to be honest here. I usually avoid your posts because you tick me off. However, on this subject, you make more sense than anything else!!! Your insight in right on and I for one really appreciate your taking the time to share with us your experiences. I have recently learned I may be a bit more opinonated than life calls for, so I can honestly say my avoiding you is MY problem, not yours.

You are soo right about depressed people not seeing things the way people who are not depressed do. Depressed people cannot be joked out of their mood - it is not a mood - it is a condition. Asthma? You have my sympathy. I have COPD. There is no miracle. Just trial and error. And I apologize for judging you in the past.
 
There is a lot of very good textbook responses here and everyone I think is well thought out and probably right. The obvious answer is it takes participation on both sides to resolve a problem. You can pump all the drugs and psychology into a brain that a person can stand but until the person not participating in the marriage comes to the realization that they are 50% of the solution it won't work. Marriage is singular comprised of 2 people. I would request that he get off the computer spend some time with you and do some things together. I mean being depressed does not limit his ability to do his computer things any more than it would limit his time with you. This is a choice he needs to be confronted with depressed or not. It sounds like you are willing to make it work. I know some here disagree with this approach but I am known for cutting through the crap and by no means am trying to offend anybody. If my wife spent all her time on the computer I would not stick around forever.
 
I agree; depression is a very debilitating disease...

my eldest, she's 20 and she is severely clinically depressed...
so much so, she was suicidal several times this past year...
so many times they wanted to say it was drugs; but ZERO drugs (besides her scripts) were
EVER found in her system...

she sometimes cannot get out of bed...
she sometimes can't even answer her phone..
she sometimes, even now, goes days without talking to me..even weeks...(she doesnt live here anymore)
she has been so darn depressed she couldnt even find a job...she couldnt even shower...it has been terrible...
I made mistakes of helping way too much AKA: enabling her...and then not helping enough..it is so very
hard to know just what to do...we had many nights not knowing if she'd wake up in the a/m where she was
living due to her just getting out of the psych ward...
she was so bad; she had to complete a 6 wk daily outpatient therapy ...she had to do it twice..and it hasnt
made too much of a difference tho..

HOWEVER; she was supposed to start her part time job today...and she was supposed to call me and let me
know how it went..but i havent heard from her...and I am doing my best to not get upset or worried...
I dont even know that she went/showed up...<sigh>

unfortunately, my 13 yr old son is following suit...he is moderately depressed, on antidepressants and today
everything was going great; then he started crying all darn day long and went to bed really early...

thank God we have an appt w/the doc tomorrow a/m...I think his dosage needs changed or he needs a new kind...

I try to manage my depression w/o meds and it is hard...but I do it..there are days tho, I cannot function and sit
around on the computer ignoring everything that needs to be done/taken care of..even my children...
Thank the heavenly God I have a wonderful husband that is quite caring and understanding...

no matter what; if you are truly depressed; you cannot be talked out of it...you just cant. Sometimes you know you
are not right and yet you just cant change your outlook for nothing...its terrible...and I feel like a failure when I get
into that mode...which is made worse by someone being too crass/non-understanding...


I hope you all read this and it helps you understand a bit more about ppl who are depressed...

and yes; I have asthma and it sucks..as well as my eldest dd...but it is fairly easily manageable..I hope you can
get it to where you can understand/control it very well! Nothing feels as good as being able to breath right!!!
 
I did mention to DH that we should at least take a vacation so that he can go diving, he said he won't be able to. I think he said because of the weight issue? He does like working on vehicles, I think I need to encourage him to work on his rebuild projects. I just need to help him clean up the garage and figure out a way to heat it in the winter... I think key words should be HELP HIM, not do it for him.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I asked him to do some thinking and come up with ideas of things for us to do together. He does seem like he has been in a better mood since then, and hasn't been complaining as much. He even quit complaining about going to work!

I always tell him that I feel sorry for him... I know I can't be easy to live with.
 
It appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. It always bothered me to see a parent talking on the phone about the cat to a friend when their kid wants to ask something. Something as simple as listening tends to get lost in our hi-tech world these days and spending time together ALONE with each other kind of forces us to listen.and that is when healing has a chance.
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Mom of two kids with depression, I don't know why your boy was crying, whether it was normal sadness or frustration, or under-treated depression. But I know you'll be there for him and keep advocating for him. Frankly yours is the kind of story I read and think, 'now THERE is a good mom'. We are always all learning, the people who are sick, those who try to help them. I make mistakes, everyone does, don't sit and regret them. We don't want them dwelling on failures, so we shouldn't either.

It is SO hard to know what to do and what not to do! But that's why the experts are there to help us!!!!!!!

I'm going to say something Fros, maybe just think about it a little bit. And here it is:

I never, ever, EVER tell ANYONE that I feel sorry for them. EVER. No matter how bad off they are. If they are in the hospital in frikkin RESTRAINTS I don't say that.

I might say, 'Well of course you're in the hospital, you had a relapse! That happens sometime. So what, we'll get through this', or 'Of course you're upset! Anyone would in this situation!' or 'Well of course you feel tired, but we got something we can do about that'.

There's a blog about one fellow who said when he got bipolar disorder, he WAS in the hospital in restraints(he was taking swings at everyone). His mom came marching in like General Robert E. Lee, sat down by his bed, grabbed his hand and held it in a vicelike grip and said, "***WE*** ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS'. He NEVER forgot it. No matter how sick he got, no matter how he didn't respond to this med or that, no matter what went wrong, he ALWAYS had this idea, this little idea in his mind, that WE were going to get through this. WE. That's important.

Here's an example from one of my favorite books (Coping with Schizophrenia) - a young woman would hallucinate a lot between the time she got home from her day program and when the family got home (that's common). Her chore was setting the table. She went up to her mother and said, 'I feel awful, I am hallucinating all over the place', Mom said, 'You don't think that will get you out of setting the table, do you?' Now I suppose that table wasn't perfectly set given it was being done through all that. BUT IT WAS SET! So there you go, maybe it was a little bumpy, maybe not perfect, but you did it! So hallelujia! That's just one more of those little steps along the road to saying, 'Depression go to he**!'

Now everyone's different. What's appropriate to push on for one isn't for another. Another story in the book was about the woman who wanted hubby to cut the lawn. Well that drove him into meltdown status. He would be trying like mad to keep the mower straight and with how the illness affected his vision he just could not. He was too sick for that. They decided he could do something else. NO, NOT sit in a chair like a helpless baby, do something appropriate.

One of my folks came up to me once totally hysterical, and said, 'There was a woman on the bus shooting bullets at me with her eyes!!!' He was on medication but still had some breakthrough symptoms(because he had abused drugs and alcohol for years - that can damage a mentally ill person's brain very severely).

So number one, no point in arguing that bullets don't come out of eyes. And if you think about it, well, isn't he really just saying the woman was staring at him and making him feel uncomfortable? Isn't that really what's going on there? Except that dear old schizophrenia doesn't let him just be uncomfortable, it adds a little something of its own to make the situation totally unbearable (yes it sucks).

I said, 'Now hold on there. You mean to tell me you were experiencing that, and you STAYED ON THE BUS???? YOU STILL WENT TO THE STORE AND GOT YOUR GROCERIES? THEN YOU RODE THE BUS BACK HOME????? Man! That is real cojones!!'

That guy was walking around busting his buttons all day, he said to several people, 'I was scared, but no, I didn't get off the bus, I stayed on'. When he left I heard him mutter under his breath, 'AND I DIDN'T EVEN GET OFF THE BUS'.

The key was he FORGOT about what his illness was doing to him because he was so proud of what he did!!! He just had that one little moment where he said, 'I will manage this illness, it will not manage me!'

In another situation my friend told me her son wanted his own apartment. They were so scared to death to do it, they were afraid he'd burn the thing down. Well it hasn't been all beer and skittles, but he has his own place, no it's not the neatest place in the world! But he is learning to be an adult and having his own place makes him feel like more of a whole person.

No, that's not the solution for everyone. Some folks I know need assisted living, some are better in a group home, some need a full care residential setting, and some folks, well, they just do better at home...heck, others I worked with are leading teaching programs at hospitals, being commercial artists, everyone is different. Some people just get sicker than others - just like some people are partly deaf and others are more deaf. It isn't a choice. That disease started before they were even born. They aren't weak or bad, you aren't weak or bad, it just - it happened. So now let's beat the he** out of it and live life to the fullest we can.

I know we'd have my SO's brother here today, if he hadn't died of hodgkin's disease. He'd be 70, and he'd be going from his bedroom to the tv, mostly, and on walks when we nudged him along, and living a very quiet, very limited life. But that's what worked for him. Everyone's different.

That's what we have to do. We can't snap our fingers and make that illness disappear. And it isn't our faults it's there, and it isn't THEIR fault, either. Most of the mentally ill people I've met are very, very tough and they deal with a lot and they fight and struggle every day, some of them to do the simplest things.

But what we can do and what we must do is show them that they can minimize how much impact it has. They can still be a person with dignity and self respect. Sure, my friend may not be able to be an air traffic controller, but maybe he can hold a door open for a lady, or maybe he can say to another sick person, 'Try not to think about it' or maybe he can do SOMETHING. WHAT? Well that depends on their illnesss. It has to be reasonable expectation or you just cause them more shame of failure. But I tell you they can very often do an awful lot more than we think they can!!!
 
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