Re: feed causing salmonella in chickens and their eggs.

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Pastured cattle are healthier than those fed a grain-based diet. Cows are ruminants, they are designed to eat grasses. I have no doubt the same would apply to chickens, or any other animal - they are at their optimal health when allowed to eat diets their bodies are designed to eat.

From an article on the EatWild website: http://www.eatwild.com/foodsafety.html
Work conducted at Cornell University by Russell and Diez-Gonzalez in the late 1990s showed that cattle that were fed hay had far fewer E. coli than when they were fed a standard feedlot diet based on grain. In addition, the two researchers conducted a test tube study showing that E. coli from grass-fed cattle is more likely to be killed by the natural acidity of our digestive tract and therefore might be less likely to survive and make us ill.
The reason for the greater persistence of E. coli from grain-fed cattle, the researchers speculated, is that feeding grain to cattle makes their digestive tracts abnormally acidic. Over time, the E. coli in their systems become acclimated to this acid environment. When we ingest them, a high percentage will survive the acid shock of our digestive juices. By contrast, few E. coli from grass-fed cattle will survive because they have not become acid-resistant.


Thanks for clearing that up for me!
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the big draw of rotational grazing, in regards to pathogens, is that you move the cattle off of their own fecal matter. this means that they are not re-ingesting their own shed pathogens. you will see some of these benefits just understocking your available space, but you find the most benefit by controlled, management-intensive rotational grazing.

here's how it works. a herd of cattle spends a day on healthy, biodiverse pasture. they are confined to an area just big enough to meet their feed needs for 1 day. they will eat everything in that area indiscriminately, as opposed to cattle on large range who will pick and choose their favorite grasses (they eat the ice cream rather than their veggies), depleting those food sources and leaving weeds to run unchecked. equally grazing the whole section is better for your pasture and for the cattle: many weeds that cows don't usually eat (but which are safe for them to eat) have holistic medicinal benefits such as keeping parasites in check.

the herd also spends the day defecating in a controlled area. by moving them onto new pasture daily, you allow 2 important things to happen. first, the sun and soil microbes work to basically disinfect the manure. many parasites and pathogens are destroyed within a few days, but the process continues for weeks. this means that the herd will not re-ingest those same parasites and pathogens. secondly, you allow the manure to fertilize the grass which allows the pasture to remain lush and biodiverse without the need for chemical fertilizers.

so, what happens is that you end up with a herd of cattle that have immune systems that are really strong. this allows them to manage any pathogens and parasites that do find their way into their system quickly and with very little fuss.
 
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The feed produced by the farm most likely contained mashed up dead chicks and chickens and that is the reason for the salmonella.
All the more reason to fine the farm and avoid products from factory farms in the future.
 
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Do you have any idea at all how feed is made?


Chris

I was reading online here that one of the companies that supplies the feed mill supplies something that contains "meat and bone meal". I have to believe, as a factory producer trying to manage cost, they take their useless chicks and out of production hens and process them back into feed for the rest. Why do you think so many feed producers for us backyarders list on their feed bags "Does not contain animal protein or animal fat"? What do you think is happening to all the recalled eggs? They're being sent to a breaker facility and being heat pasturized. I'm pretty sure the USDA and the CDC won't let that be used for human consumption, so back to feed producers it goes. And what happens if a batch of those eggs don't get processed properly? I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that rats and mice were not the problem. Our reliance as a nation on just a few sources of food is a bad thing. BUY LOCAL.
 
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Or grow your own!

Local around here means the factory farms for chickens. They give away all their nonperfect eggs that they are not allowed to sell, so no one can really make much on their eggs around here when these factory defects are free.
 
Chris,
I found this story link
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_15906794
This is a quote from that story "
"A company listed as Central Bi-Products in Redwood Falls, Minn., that produces "poultry raw material" did not immediately return a call seeking comment Thursday."

If you look up Central Bi-Products on line, you will see that the feed protein is meat, feathers and blood.

I wonder if they make Soylent Green too ??
 
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I know about Bi-Products such as Meat meal, Meat and Bone meal, Feather meal, Fish meal, Soy Bean meal etc that are in feed in feed.
The thing is during the "cooking" Process any bacteria that may be in the ingredient will be killed.

There is the same chance of getting salmonella in a non-animal protein feed as with a feed that contains animal protein. (Remember the salmonella that was in the lettuce) it can happen to any plant product?

I have been feeding a animal protein feed for over 30 years and I have never had a problem with...

I would rather feed a ration that has animal protein in it than a feed that is loaded with soy products but that is just me...
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So Chris09,
I respect your opinion... What do you think about our hypothesis that outbreak was because CAFO chickens are stressed and may not be in the same state of health as "barnyard" chickens living in a more natural environment.

I find it hard to believe my chickens, your chickens and just about every one on BYC's chickens has not eaten a rodent dropping at some point in time. Animal feed=Rodents.
Why no Salmonella?

I really want to hear from some one that can shoot down the hypothesis. OR back it up...

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