Red Buff Spalding FOUNDER FLOCK -digresses into peafowl in general

[clinton9]

Hi Resolution,
Ok, It was just a rough guide, I think Mayasian race. I wishes I have photoes of mounted wings of Great Argus, but lack of photoes of fully opened wings of Great Argus, left me with wrong wing shapes and wrong lengthes of primaries & alula wing.
Yes, I forgetten to measure the head to beardth of primary feathers, hence head too big, with too thick neck.

Problems I face is lack of photoes of fully open wings and trains of all races of green peafowls, worse is few green peafowls hybridize other each, making more confusing for me to tell which is which the pure race or hybrid green peafowls (green to green).

I were planning to make illustrations, firstly wings of all pure races of green peafowls, then flying green peafowls, it will take least few next weeks. I had been making copies of flying adult green peacocks, but not coloured yet.

Can you please send me the photoes of open wings, heads, trains of all races of green peafowls ???
Do pavo imperator annamensis and all races of green peafowls have mounds at bases of crown feathers ???

How many crown feathers on heads of green peacocks ???

IB peacock have 30-32 crown feathers, grown from two very swallow mounds that are by side with other each.

Clinton.




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I just refer to the Great Argus as the Great Argus- a male Great Argus for example- the terms peafowl or pheasant are not all that helpful because the Argus is unique unto itself. That's my choice.
Your Great Argus in flight is very good-but the alula wing and primaries are not quite right. The surface area ratio to the actual size of the bird is also off a bit. The head and neck would be substantially smaller in relation to the wings. There is sufficient surface area in the primaries alone for the Great Argus to fly with. Its elongated secondaries are only spread out in flight during certain aerial displays. The alula wing or alula as it more properly described, in the Great Argus is an odd sight as it seems as if it too is its own wing. The primaries of this genus are very wide and rigid, their tips are an unusual affair. I'll invite you to look around a bit more on the internet to see the outstretched wing of an adult Great Argus. You've certainly done it great justice Clinton9. I doubt many bird illustrators could come close to what you've accomplished here. Is this the Bornean or Malaysian species? Their wing formulas are slightly different.The retrices need some more dedicated hours for you Clifton
I'm going to start a new thread that will be more appropriate to discuss the Great Argus. I hope you will post your illustrations there and keep us abreast of your modifications as you go.

 

[clinton9]

Hi Resolution,
Here's my drawing of wing of adult green peacock North Thailand pavo annamensis.
I unable to colour the secondaries, due to shortage of black pencils.

Do pavo annamensis bokorensis and pavo annamensis Bolaven race and pavo imperator siamensis have wing colours and pattens same as this drawing of wing of North Thailand pavo annamensis ???

I am not really sure whether the train of pavo annamensis bokorensis had a really pink train or not ???

Clinton.

 

[Resolution]

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It looks as if there annamensis and imperator intergrade in the Thai Highlands to the north and perhaps in valley basins adjacent to Sankamphaeng mountain range, Sakhon Nakhon Basin, and the southern Khorat Basin. I notice that there is a demarcation line at the occiput where the upper hind neck meets the crown (skull) and also a distinctive black border surrounding the lower perimeters of the malar war paint. Based based on some preliminary molecular work, the annamensis of the Bolaven Plateau and that of Xishuang Banna Mountains form a closely related clade that is quite distinctive from that of the imperator clade, which is fairly recently derived. The Cardamom (bokorensis) and Pahang ( muticus muticus) also clade with annamensis, a sibling lineage to spicifer. The imperator clade appear to be derived fairly recently from spicifer and/or annamensis but again, this is very preliminary work and we won't have more data or even more comprehensive tissue sample coverage from which to collect that molecular data until mid 2013. Something very interesting about this photo you've just posted that makes me suspect that this is a Hue or possibly Tonkin imperator is the vermillion hued primaries. No other form of peafowl has this exquisite hue -we see a similar pop of pigmentation in the primaries of the Sri Lanka race of cristatus but that of course is in the direction of flame red not coral pink. I think perhaps we should start a new thread on Green Peafowl as this thread is becoming incredibly sidetracked- this is an important digression from the original point but we don't need for people to have to read over all the stupid personal objectives of my army of homely hybrid peahens plan.

 

[Resolution]

I'm moving this discussion to adifferent thread so that breeders working with heirloom hybrid strains can continue here. Clifton, please bring your illustrations here.

 

[Resolution]

There's been exactly zero replies with photos of Red Buff Spaulding

 

[clinton9]

Alea,
You had been waiting for plates over a past month, and now you got nothing.

If you are interested in races & subspecies, mutations of peafowls, You can read my illustrations in page 1st in "Illustration By Clinton9"

I kept adding more illustrations over next weeks, in page 1st of "Illustrations of adult male peafowls" by Clinton9
Illustrations of peacocks: pavo cristatus cristatus, Black-shouldered, Buford Bronze, pavo cristatus singhalensis, p. imperator siamensis, p. imperator tonkinensis, p. bokorensis.
Near end of this week, I'll add new illustrations: pavo javanese, pavo spicifer spicifer, with maybe next week: pavo muticus muticus.

Clinton.

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Do you have a larger version of that identification picture so we can see the names and details better?

 

[MinxFox]

Thanks yes I have been looking at your illustrations, they are very good and helpful.

 

[Resolution]

Legg's heirloom Spalding Purple Black Shoulder may just serve the purpose.

 

[deerman]

peafowl breeders no longer call then red buff spalding ...that just a old term that has been dropped, as its a blackshoulder spalding.

 

[Bigcreekpeafowl]

It was mentioned in this large thread about photos of purple black shoulder spaldings.
This male is not in full tail and only 50%. So he may not be what you are looking for.
But here he is....