Republican Debate?

[Royd]

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Liberals don't trash religion -- they trash the idea that religion is untouchable, not to be criticized, and free to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants. If your religion paints your view of the world, it is as much available for criticism as your politics would be, in my opinion. If you think that there are some things that are not allowed to be criticized, then you aren't understanding the concept of a free society.

Then, why did they suddenly dump the word Liberal, of which they had been so proud, for so many years?

 

[Amigo]

Royd's got a point, as always of course.

 

[Farmerboy16]

I am going for Cain, even though I am white. I like him, and he has a good chance to trump Obama.

I think that we should vote for someone who owns a business, and understand how they works.

 

[AquaEyes]

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Liberals don't trash religion -- they trash the idea that religion is untouchable, not to be criticized, and free to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants. If your religion paints your view of the world, it is as much available for criticism as your politics would be, in my opinion. If you think that there are some things that are not allowed to be criticized, then you aren't understanding the concept of a free society.

Do you have something against God?

If I do, it's my right, and none of your business.

Anyway, the govt is trying their best to control the churches.
No, the gov't has no control over churches -- they're not taxed, and not regulated. The gov't will not support a church, because in doing so, it is offering preference to that church over any others. And "support" includes preaching while on the gov't timeclock, i.e. teachers in school. There are churches and private schools where anything goes with religion -- why must the churches intrude further into secular schools? Their outlets already exist -- do they need more?

 

[AquaEyes]

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Liberals don't trash religion -- they trash the idea that religion is untouchable, not to be criticized, and free to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants. If your religion paints your view of the world, it is as much available for criticism as your politics would be, in my opinion. If you think that there are some things that are not allowed to be criticized, then you aren't understanding the concept of a free society.

Then, why did they suddenly dump the word Liberal, of which they had be so proud, for so many years?

As I understand it, "Liberal" is a distinct sub-category with some overlap with Progressivism, but not entirely the same. Those who agree entirely with Liberalism continue to use that label -- those who have some disagreement choose another. I have not witnessed the extinction of self-identified Liberals, but I will have to investigate further.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Liberal has become somewhat of dirty word, insinuating lack of moral character, due to the trashing religion and patriotic symbolism.

Actually, liberal seems to have become a dirty word because I keep hearing it pronounced 'liiiibbbbberrraaawlllllll", in the obligatory deep voice. I must try that on my dog when she is misbehaving. "Dooooooooaaaaaawgggg". I especially like hearing how the political group I am most closely aligned with is pronounced. You have to have a spittle guard up for that one. XD

It is interesting to me how black and white many people's views are. Nothing new, I come from a family who had an even more limited ability to view a full spectrum than most people. UV is totally off the charts, but so was a simple orange.

 

[Amigo]

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Do you have something against God?

If I do, it's my right, and none of your business.

Anyway, the govt is trying their best to control the churches.
No, the gov't has no control over churches -- they're not taxed, and not regulated. The gov't will not support a church, because in doing so, it is offering preference to that church over any others. And "support" includes preaching while on the gov't timeclock, i.e. teachers in school. There are churches and private schools where anything goes with religion -- why must the churches intrude further into secular schools? Their outlets already exist -- do they need more?


I said "Trying", my proof is based on my own church, we tried to get into an out reach thing, but we had to sign a government program! It's just plain terrible! Churches need to cut off the government, and do charity, the way Jesus intented.

@Farmerboy16: I'm with you! Cain 12'! It has nothing to do with him being black.

 

[Royd]

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Then, why did they suddenly dump the word Liberal, of which they had be so proud, for so many years?

As I understand it, "Liberal" is a distinct sub-category with some overlap with Progressivism, but not entirely the same. Those who agree entirely with Liberalism continue to use that label -- those who have some disagreement choose another. I have not witnessed the extinction of self-identified Liberals, but I will have to investigate further.

Have you ever considered becoming a politician?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Another one I'm doing for fun. My knickers are fine. Hope yours are not in a twist. Choose your definition and have at it.


lib•er•al adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.


con•ser•va•tiveadj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
4.
a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
n.
1. One favoring traditional views and values.
2. A supporter of political conservatism.
3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
4. Archaic A preservative agent or principle.



pro•gres•sive adj.
1. Moving forward; advancing.
2. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
3. Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.
4. Progressive Of or relating to a Progressive Party: the Progressive platform of 1924.
5. Of or relating to progressive education: a progressive school.
6. Increasing in rate as the taxable amount increases: a progressive income tax.
7. Pathology Tending to become more severe or wider in scope: progressive paralysis.
8. Grammar Designating a verb form that expresses an action or condition in progress.
n.
1. A person who actively favors or strives for progress toward better conditions, as in society or government.
2. Progressive A member or supporter of a Progressive Party.
3. Grammar A progressive verb form.


Of course I understand this is about labels and not about anything else. How you spin the definition shows how you think about it. If two people cannot agree on a definition for a word, no agreement or understanding can be reached.

I think this thread is getting close to being shut down. Be careful, folks.

 

[Royd]

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Actually, liberal seems to have become a dirty word because I keep hearing it pronounced 'liiiibbbbberrraaawlllllll", in the obligatory deep voice. I must try that on my dog when she is misbehaving. "Dooooooooaaaaaawgggg". I especially like hearing how the political group I am most closely aligned with is pronounced. You have to have a spittle guard up for that one. XD

It is interesting to me how black and white many people's views are. Nothing new, I come from a family who had an even more limited ability to view a full spectrum than most people. UV is totally off the charts, but so was a simple orange.

Maybe you have a point....Sort of like the term "Tea Bagger". A derogatory term, not based in reality, but how many people picked it up and ran with it, including much the MSM, which should be displaying some sense of decorum?