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And he doesn't point fingers to the other candidates like Perry and Romney do!
And he doesn't point fingers to the other candidates like Perry and Romney do!
Republican Debate?
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This was also on my mind. I want to know where they stand.
This was also on my mind. I want to know where they stand.
mom'sfolly :
Anyone else wish we had a time limited campaign? I would love to see a rule with no campaign ads until six months before the election. I think it is horrible that presidential campaigns basically start as soon as the election is over.
I'm also not that fond of the whole primary thing. To get the nod from the party, candidates must pander to the fringe of their parties, and to states that have only minor play on the national stage. Iowa really isn't a good reflection of the country at large, but it sure looks that way during the primary season.
And for presidential elections, I would love a national voting period...say from 5 am East Coast time to 9 pm Alaska/Hawaii time. This would even the playing field for the west coast, without knowing the outcome of elections before voting is finished in the West.
Love the idea about the national voting period
"Plus, this is not a new topic for RON PAUL
he has been saying the same for 30 years but no one listened before"
fowl--odor2, look what happened to GWB. He tried to fix SS, but with a democratic Congress, he was unable to do anything. Which brings me to this point. Everyone is blaming GWB for the economy, there was a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS at the time. His hands were tied.
Anyone else wish we had a time limited campaign? I would love to see a rule with no campaign ads until six months before the election. I think it is horrible that presidential campaigns basically start as soon as the election is over.
I'm also not that fond of the whole primary thing. To get the nod from the party, candidates must pander to the fringe of their parties, and to states that have only minor play on the national stage. Iowa really isn't a good reflection of the country at large, but it sure looks that way during the primary season.
And for presidential elections, I would love a national voting period...say from 5 am East Coast time to 9 pm Alaska/Hawaii time. This would even the playing field for the west coast, without knowing the outcome of elections before voting is finished in the West.
Love the idea about the national voting period
"Plus, this is not a new topic for RON PAUL
he has been saying the same for 30 years but no one listened before"
fowl--odor2, look what happened to GWB. He tried to fix SS, but with a democratic Congress, he was unable to do anything. Which brings me to this point. Everyone is blaming GWB for the economy, there was a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS at the time. His hands were tied.
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Yes indeed!
Yes indeed!
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During SH's regime; Iraq's christians had freedom to worshop. Now, they don't, because the jihadists came in. I think it was a mistake to go into Iraq.
@Whispering Winds: Reagan!
Amigo, love your Ronald Reagan quote about the Bible!
Thanks!
During SH's regime; Iraq's christians had freedom to worshop. Now, they don't, because the jihadists came in. I think it was a mistake to go into Iraq.
@Whispering Winds: Reagan!
Amigo, love your Ronald Reagan quote about the Bible!
Thanks!
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That's a hard one. I've worked overseas and you find out that things are usually not exactly as they are depicted in the news or in the political speeches. To a very large extent, the people are not a lot different from us in their basic wants and desires, but there can be big cultural differences. There is often some basis behind some of the stereotypes, but often they are exagerated. Remember, I am a hillbilly from Up the Valley. I did go barefoot in the summer after school was out while on the farm, but I did have shoes for when I went out in public, and I did not wear a straw hat or wear bib overalls. I did not marry my cousin. Some basis for the stereotypes, but not a lot.
I worked in Spain shortly after Franco died. Although he was dead, people still got very quiet and became very careful when la Guardia came around. It was really educational to see just how careful people became, especially with me coming from the USA. That's a big reason I feel that people talking about how we are losing our freedom are pretty inexperienced in some things. Of all the places I have worked in Asia and Africa, Spain shortly after Franco was probably the most repressive. But even them, if la Guardia was not around, the people lived pretty well and seemed pretty happy. I loved he Spanish people. So friendly, helpful, and full of life.
I've worked with Arabs. I know that the Iranians are Persian, not Arabs, so there are cultural differences. They've had their ups and downs but the Persians/Iranians have been a force in that part of the world since the days of the Greek city-states. It is an ancient civilization and they are a very proud people. We are not going to run roughshod over them. I don't have a lot of personal experience with Iran. I knew a family that left Iran when the Shah was overthrown and our kids were good friends, but we never really became close. And I've never visited the country.
I understand the concern with the WMD not found in Iraq, but I do feel it is very possible and probably very likely Iran is trying to develop the bomb. They have been a force in that area for thousands of years and are likely to go to great lengths to remain so. Is the leadership crazy enough to start lobbing a few at Isreal when they get a few stockpiled? I doubt it, but they just may be willing to take brinkmanship to a level we don't want to go.
They pretty much use Syria as a go-between to forment turmoil instead of getting their own hands that dirty. Syria does not have that much oil or money and Iran does. That's why the stuff going in in Syria right now is probably the most inportant of all the stuff going on in that part of the world. If Assad falls, I'm afraid Iran might take some pretty serious steps to install another puppet. Or take some other action that could get scary.
I don't claim to know everything that is going on in Iran. I don't have access to all the secret information or the spy satellite shots. I couldn't interpret them if I saw them anyway. But at least I can find Iran on the map and I know they are Persian, not Arab.
I don't necessarily trust our government to always be right, such as Iraq and WMD. If you have a leader that is so right he is just looking for yes men to tell him how right he is, we are in trouble. If we have a President that can listen with an open mind and welcomes dissenting opinions to test his beliefs, we are more likely to come out OK. Some people seem to see a President that keeps and open mind, that will listen to somebody that disagrees with him, and will adjust his actions as new information becomes available as weak. That is called point forward analysis. Take things as they are now to base a decision on, not how you used to think things were. I consider that prudent and cautious. But at some point a decision has to be made and enforced.
I'm not an expert on foreign affairs but I don't consider myself totally ignorant on some things. With our military power, the size of our economy, our dependence on a Global economy, and all that, I like the idea of someone other than a pure rookie running things. They don't have to know everything themselves. They have to be able to get good people in critical positions and rely on them, but they do need to know enough to know when someone is blowing smoke. Blind reliance on subordinates can get you in big trouble.
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The Iranians don't trust us a lot. We strongly backed the Shah while they were trying to overthrow him.
The Iranians don't trust us a lot. Right after they overthrew the Shah and while they were still in disarray, we make Sadam Hussein a regional power and strongly backed Iraq with war materials during the Iran-Iraq War. Kind of hitting them when they were down.
Usually I'd say most people in most foreign countries are OK with us on a personal level, it is just the leadership we have a problem with. But in Iran I think the man in the street probably does not like us a lot.
Did I pass your pop quiz?
That's a hard one. I've worked overseas and you find out that things are usually not exactly as they are depicted in the news or in the political speeches. To a very large extent, the people are not a lot different from us in their basic wants and desires, but there can be big cultural differences. There is often some basis behind some of the stereotypes, but often they are exagerated. Remember, I am a hillbilly from Up the Valley. I did go barefoot in the summer after school was out while on the farm, but I did have shoes for when I went out in public, and I did not wear a straw hat or wear bib overalls. I did not marry my cousin. Some basis for the stereotypes, but not a lot.
I worked in Spain shortly after Franco died. Although he was dead, people still got very quiet and became very careful when la Guardia came around. It was really educational to see just how careful people became, especially with me coming from the USA. That's a big reason I feel that people talking about how we are losing our freedom are pretty inexperienced in some things. Of all the places I have worked in Asia and Africa, Spain shortly after Franco was probably the most repressive. But even them, if la Guardia was not around, the people lived pretty well and seemed pretty happy. I loved he Spanish people. So friendly, helpful, and full of life.
I've worked with Arabs. I know that the Iranians are Persian, not Arabs, so there are cultural differences. They've had their ups and downs but the Persians/Iranians have been a force in that part of the world since the days of the Greek city-states. It is an ancient civilization and they are a very proud people. We are not going to run roughshod over them. I don't have a lot of personal experience with Iran. I knew a family that left Iran when the Shah was overthrown and our kids were good friends, but we never really became close. And I've never visited the country.
I understand the concern with the WMD not found in Iraq, but I do feel it is very possible and probably very likely Iran is trying to develop the bomb. They have been a force in that area for thousands of years and are likely to go to great lengths to remain so. Is the leadership crazy enough to start lobbing a few at Isreal when they get a few stockpiled? I doubt it, but they just may be willing to take brinkmanship to a level we don't want to go.
They pretty much use Syria as a go-between to forment turmoil instead of getting their own hands that dirty. Syria does not have that much oil or money and Iran does. That's why the stuff going in in Syria right now is probably the most inportant of all the stuff going on in that part of the world. If Assad falls, I'm afraid Iran might take some pretty serious steps to install another puppet. Or take some other action that could get scary.
I don't claim to know everything that is going on in Iran. I don't have access to all the secret information or the spy satellite shots. I couldn't interpret them if I saw them anyway. But at least I can find Iran on the map and I know they are Persian, not Arab.
I don't necessarily trust our government to always be right, such as Iraq and WMD. If you have a leader that is so right he is just looking for yes men to tell him how right he is, we are in trouble. If we have a President that can listen with an open mind and welcomes dissenting opinions to test his beliefs, we are more likely to come out OK. Some people seem to see a President that keeps and open mind, that will listen to somebody that disagrees with him, and will adjust his actions as new information becomes available as weak. That is called point forward analysis. Take things as they are now to base a decision on, not how you used to think things were. I consider that prudent and cautious. But at some point a decision has to be made and enforced.
I'm not an expert on foreign affairs but I don't consider myself totally ignorant on some things. With our military power, the size of our economy, our dependence on a Global economy, and all that, I like the idea of someone other than a pure rookie running things. They don't have to know everything themselves. They have to be able to get good people in critical positions and rely on them, but they do need to know enough to know when someone is blowing smoke. Blind reliance on subordinates can get you in big trouble.
Editterd to add:
The Iranians don't trust us a lot. We strongly backed the Shah while they were trying to overthrow him.
The Iranians don't trust us a lot. Right after they overthrew the Shah and while they were still in disarray, we make Sadam Hussein a regional power and strongly backed Iraq with war materials during the Iran-Iraq War. Kind of hitting them when they were down.
Usually I'd say most people in most foreign countries are OK with us on a personal level, it is just the leadership we have a problem with. But in Iran I think the man in the street probably does not like us a lot.
Did I pass your pop quiz?
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That's why I said I assume Obama will be unopposed. I am basing my thoughts and plans on what I know now. If the facts change, I'll adjust.
That's why I said I assume Obama will be unopposed. I am basing my thoughts and plans on what I know now. If the facts change, I'll adjust.
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Jesus isn't a socialist. Saying Jesus is socialist is like saying MLK was racist!
Others apparently disagree with you, and the linked sites provide biblical references.
http://www.lcurve.org/writings/BiblicalLiberal.htm
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-jesus-christ-a-socialist/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism
It just goes along with what I say -- if you look hard enough for something in that book, you can find it.
Epic context fail.
The example in Acts particularly is abused - notice that NO OTHER TIME do the disciples ever behave in such a way. Why did they do this? They knew that Jerusalem was in trouble, so they had no reason to hold property. (The Roman invasion in 70 AD). In addition, it was voluntary, unlike socialism, which relies on government power. Plus, they were "filled with the Holy Spirit," according to the Bible, and socialism doesn't rely on the influence of God, which is what it would take for socialism to work. Something tells me that they were a rather unique case among human beings.
Like I said, you can find ANYTHING in the Bible, but only if you're willing to ditch the context.
As for the "rich man" example, it's pretty clear that he's not warning about wealth per se, but against wealth becoming your god. Money is not the root of all evil, according to the Bible, but the LOVE of money. Totally different.
Context, context, context. Never, EVER read a Bible verse - always read at least a chapter, but preferably the whole book.
Jesus isn't a socialist. Saying Jesus is socialist is like saying MLK was racist!
Others apparently disagree with you, and the linked sites provide biblical references.
http://www.lcurve.org/writings/BiblicalLiberal.htm
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-jesus-christ-a-socialist/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism
It just goes along with what I say -- if you look hard enough for something in that book, you can find it.
Epic context fail.
As for the "rich man" example, it's pretty clear that he's not warning about wealth per se, but against wealth becoming your god. Money is not the root of all evil, according to the Bible, but the LOVE of money. Totally different.
Context, context, context. Never, EVER read a Bible verse - always read at least a chapter, but preferably the whole book.
Okay, can we leave the bible talk out of this? The bible is interpreted differently by different sects, groups, or individuals of religion. I get it.
Ridgerunner - Oh I was just wanting people to realize if they were in the know or not. CNN and FOX are NOT great sources of foreign intelligence.
I did like reading your paragraphs though, and yes, I'm pretty sure the average Iranian doesn't like us as a country/goverment, but honestly - Would you if you were them? We sanction the life out of them, we tell them what they can and can't do, if they ever disagree we target them as possible terrorists or a good place to bomb, we've sided on their enemies then later bombed their enemies but still not liked them, we've grown quite a seeming dislike in their main religion, and we criticize their country and culture up and down with very little true knowledge on what goes on there.
I'm not saying we're terrible, no, I'm just saying I'd certainly agree with them if another country did that to us. I don't think most Americans truly understand what it is like to live in another country and feel the shadow of America looming over them. Especially being in a country so shut out with sanctions and opinions against them that nearly everything they make or learn is right there on their soil, no outside help. Not even Russia supplies them with anything anymore.
But anyway!
Back on topic.
Ridgerunner - Oh I was just wanting people to realize if they were in the know or not. CNN and FOX are NOT great sources of foreign intelligence.
I did like reading your paragraphs though, and yes, I'm pretty sure the average Iranian doesn't like us as a country/goverment, but honestly - Would you if you were them? We sanction the life out of them, we tell them what they can and can't do, if they ever disagree we target them as possible terrorists or a good place to bomb, we've sided on their enemies then later bombed their enemies but still not liked them, we've grown quite a seeming dislike in their main religion, and we criticize their country and culture up and down with very little true knowledge on what goes on there.
I'm not saying we're terrible, no, I'm just saying I'd certainly agree with them if another country did that to us. I don't think most Americans truly understand what it is like to live in another country and feel the shadow of America looming over them. Especially being in a country so shut out with sanctions and opinions against them that nearly everything they make or learn is right there on their soil, no outside help. Not even Russia supplies them with anything anymore.
But anyway!
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