Salpingitis? Calcium? Antibiotics?

[specklesmom]

Enrofloxacin is an antibiotic. It is available online in the 10% liquid, as I posted earlier, see post 2 for the link. It would be better for salpingitis, but Aqua Mox is okay too. Here is a link for the Aqua Mox:
https://www.allivet.com/product/aqu...wINhq5KbMAs8F48mB2nq3-zHytYSCjOsaAvF0EALw_wcB

Thanks, Allvet is where I ordered the amoxicillin but it won't arrive until probably Tuesday. I'm definitely leaning to just taking her to the Emergency vet place so she can get started on antibiotics immediately.

 

[micstrachan]

Thanks, Allvet is where I ordered the amoxicillin but it won't arrive until probably Tuesday. I'm definitely leaning to just taking her to the Emergency vet place so she can get started on antibiotics immediately.

That’s great. Just a heads up, the avian vet is unlikely to prescribe enrofloxacin. I would push/ask for it and say you are willing to sign something saying you will not eat the bird nor the eggs. My inderstanding is that enrofloxacin is “not indicated in poultry” because of the possibilty of causing human resistance, but I could be mistaken. If they refuse, ask what they think about doxycycline. Let them know you’ve done your homework and you understand salpingitis needs something strong.

Amoxicillin is gentler on the stomach, but not as strong.

 

[specklesmom]

That’s great. Just a heads up, the avian vet is unlikely to prescribe enrofloxacin. I would push/ask for it and say you are willing to sign something saying you will not eat the bird nor the eggs. My inderstanding is that enrofloxacin is “not indicated in poultry” because of the possibilty of causing human resistance, but I could be mistaken. If they refuse, ask what they think about doxycycline. Let them know you’ve done your homework and you understand salpingitis needs something strong.

Amoxicillin is gentler on the stomach, but not as strong.

So, the "exotic specialist" vet is doing x-rays and blood work to see about blood calcium levels and if her body is able to process calcium appropriately. I was given the lecture about the illegality of certain types of antibiotics for use with poultry. He says Blondie was in pain when he examined her so she needs pain medication and she is dehydrated as well. He is supposed to call again when they have the results of testing.....I'm hoping she is going to have a decent chance to recover. I think he initially thought I was some kind of ding-bat who didn't know chickens need oyster shell.........

 

[micstrachan]

So, the "exotic specialist" vet is doing x-rays and blood work to see about blood calcium levels and if her body is able to process calcium appropriately. I was given the lecture about the illegality of certain types of antibiotics for use with poultry. He says Blondie was in pain when he examined her so she needs pain medication and she is dehydrated as well. He is supposed to call again when they have the results of testing.....I'm hoping she is going to have a decent chance to recover. I think he initially thought I was some kind of ding-bat who didn't know chickens need oyster shell.........

Did he confirm salpingitis? Did he prescribe any antibiotic at all? Calcium is great, but it will do ZERO for salpingitis. Glad he’s prescribing pain meds. Is it meloxicam? That is also for inflammation, so double benefit.

If he does not prescribe antibiotics, you might consider administering, anyway. I not in a position to give veterinary advice, but I feel very confident she needs them. I feel ny avian vet would, too,

 

[Kiki]

What exactly do you feed your flock on a daily basis?

 

[Eggcessive]

Did he confirm salpingitis? Did he prescribe any antibiotic at all? Calcium is great, but it will do ZERO for salpingitis. Glad he’s prescribing pain meds. Is it meloxicam? That is also for inflammation, so double benefit.

If he does not prescribe antibiotics, you might consider administering, anyway. I not in a position to give veterinary advice, but I feel very confident she needs them. I feel ny avian vet would, too,

The calcium is probably for the shell-less egg that was found. She is also eating layena feed. If her calcium level is normal, then she may have a problem with her shell gland.

 

[micstrachan]

The calcium is probably for the shell-less egg that was found. She is also eating layena feed. If her calcium level is normal, then she may have a problem with her shell gland.

Yes, I get that. Thanks. It still bewilders me if he is not also prescribing antibiotics with that photo of what she expelled.

I had a hen (Dorothy, California White, which is 3/4 Leghorn) who battled shell-less eggs for a year. At first, Calcium Citrate helped. When that stopped, shredded zucchini seemed to help, maybe from the manganese? Ultimately, she just could not put shells on eggs and I believe she died of a reproductive infection gone septic. Could not confirm via necropsy at UC Davis due to the timing of her death, so I don’t know of it was salpingitis or egg yolk peritonitis. However, totally agree she had a defective shell gland. Poor thing.

That may be the case here with OP, but I would still hit it HARD with antibiotics, just in case. Ultimately, it is likely to kill her, which is sad. But she might get a reprieve with the meds.

 

[Eggcessive]

She is getting amoxicillin on Tuesday. The vet may still prescribe enrofloxacin or something else in the meantime. I gave a link for where to buy it on her own in post 2.

 

[specklesmom]

Did he confirm salpingitis? Did he prescribe any antibiotic at all? Calcium is great, but it will do ZERO for salpingitis. Glad he’s prescribing pain meds. Is it meloxicam? That is also for inflammation, so double benefit.

If he does not prescribe antibiotics, you might consider administering, anyway. I not in a position to give veterinary advice, but I feel very confident she needs them. I feel ny avian vet would, too,

He prescribed Trimethoprim-Sulfa, Metacam, and Calcium Glubionate. Radiologist will read x-rays tomorrow but no internal egg was shown, although he said he saw some small opaque area in lung. I haven't seen any issues with her respiration. He said she was dehydrated. I took her in around 10:00 this morning and although he told me she was dehydrated when he saw her around noon they did not do any treatment until 5:00 or so. At that time he suggested I hospitalize her so they could do IV hydration, but also gave me the option of sub-Q fluids so I could bring her home, which I chose. I would have thought they would have immediately done something about hydration. When I picked her up I asked if she had eaten anything all day or had drunk any water. No one had observed her take food or water, but she did poop. They had sedated her----maybe for x-rays (?) and she looked worse than when I took her in this morning. He did not give me any diagnosis but said the infection was secondary to some other issue, possibly the radiologist's report might give more information. He is supposed to e-mail me some paperwork tomorrow. Blood work showed no problems with low calcium but that might be because I was able to get her to take some Calcium Citrate with Vitamin D. Also no issue with her ability to utilize calcium. I had taken the cheese looking blob in along with a poop from last night. No comment from him about either. When I got her home she did eat a small amount of wet Layena along with some dry oatmeal and a small amount of the wild bird seed I give for treats. I know she needs to eat only Layena but I was glad to get her to eat anything. Could not get her to drink water. Very difficult to get the portion of antibiotic tablet down her throat and she fought the liquids as well..........She is supposed to take 1/4 of the antibiotic pills twice a day for 14 days. Thanksgiving plans are going to be difficult; I'm supposed to drive my 91 year old Mom, who has dementia, down to my brother's place south of Houston...a 9 hour trip. I'm already hauling the 22 year old Cockatiel because if I leave her here she won't eat while we're gone. I'm going to see about possibly boarding Blondie with the avian vet I tried to contact on Friday afternoon when she first got sick. Today's bill was $1, 130.94. I told my husband this will be my Christmas, anniversary, birthday, Valentine's Day, etc. for the next few years.....I just hope she will get through whatever is going on.She is exhausted and so am I.

 

[specklesmom]

What exactly do you feed your flock on a daily basis?

Purina Layena crumbles. Oyster shell and grit is always available. Also most evenings when I supervise "out time" in a controlled area I mix up Layena, Feather Fixer (everyone is molting), plain uncooked oatmeal, a good sized pinch of crushed eggshell and water. ....I put this mix in a bowl; It totals about 2 cups for five chickens. They usually all eat some of it and then forage in the outside area. Any of the mix not eaten goes into the pen and they finish it up before bedtime. Somehow adding water makes this a special treat. I sprinkle about a cup of wild bird seed (millet, maize, wheat and sunflower seeds) on a towel around the bowl. The towel is so that if they don't eat all the seed I toss it into their run so wild birds won't be attracted. I also often give out bits of cheese. After this episode with Blondie I'll probably cut way down on the cheese and bird seed. I thought the biird seed seemed much better than the scratch I've purchased in the past and I thought the cheese would provide calcium.... I'm not sure why Blondie is the only one who has had thin egg shells.