School districts, layoffs and other things of interest....

[chickened]

t is called seperation of church and state.
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More and more churches have their own schools now. I've never understood the tax exempt status of churches. They are a business and a very profitable one at that. Your last paragraph hit it out of the park.

 

[chickened]

There are a potpourri of people out there with a belief of what should and should not be taught in schools and that creates an agenda in and of itself. Even teachers admit that a lot of time and money is spent on subjects best taught outside the schools.

Most schools really don't want the parents involved in the schools academic plan they do not want the conflict but when your child acts out they call you right away and say come deal with him/her. Big mistake taking corporal punishment out of schools and God for that matter which coincidentally is when education began its down turn.

The teachers need to fire their unions which are controlling Washington in one party anyhow. They are the wedge drivers between teachers and citizens. Unions aregreat when they get you good pay and bennies but there is a corrupt side to them also and they are at enmity to the private sector and one day in the not so distant future they will be powerless I see the writing on the wall. I am not pro or con for unions just can see what direction we are headed.

 

[Hippie Chickie]

Both of my parents are teachers. They love it when the parents are involved. Involved parents result in academically successful children. As to having god in the schools. Not everyone follows the beliefs of the Christian god. A class centered around world religions and beliefs is one thing. Pushing the Christian god on kids is quite another.

 

[WriterofWords]

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I'm sorry but this is just not right. Schools want parents involved and usually the more involved the parent is the less they are called because their kids do their work and behave. But yes, we do call parents to come deal with their children because if we do it, we get sued because you don't want us to discipline your child. Corporal punishment and God,, yep, parents got those removed, not the teachers, not the schools.

 

[Dunkopf]

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Corporal punishment and god indoctrination is what home schooling is for. The day the schools start teaching religion vs a scope of what is practiced around the world will be the day we have to home school our kids. That scope better include Paganism and Atheism too. If you want god in the curriculum send them to a church school.

It's called separation of church and state. It's the reason our founding fathers left England.

If you want the schools to beat your kids give them an extra belt with your kids name on it. I'm sure they can find a sadist that would do it for you. The day a teacher or administrator touches my child will be the day they lose an employee. If your kid acts out in school it isn't their responsibility to punish him/her.

JMO

 

[country lady]

"If you want the schools to beat your kids give them an extra belt with your kids name on it. I'm sure they can find a sadist that would do it for you."

IMO, I think that is a bit harsh. Schools have become the parents because too many parents are so "absent." I certainly don't want the belt or a sadists in our schools but I see some really sorry parents out there, and our culture now encourages bad behavior. Too many parents don't discipline AT ALL! I would not have survived my childhood if I had behaved like the children of today. There is a complete lack of respect and discipline in our children and culture.

My school district almost raises children from breakfast, lunch, snacks, and sending home weekend food for some children, to an after school babysitting in an elementary school near my home. Their job is to teach. No, teachers and schools are far from perfect. PC is a factor, as well as "socializing children" instead of educating children. China and India are looking to the future with their schools and are graduating engineers, etc.

 

[Dunkopf]

I don't think it's harsh. Parents should be raising their kids. The poster that the response was meant for evidently thinks it's the schools job to met out punishment and to teach kids about what some people believe.

The food program is a very good idea for children. For those that qualify for free breakfast and lunches that's great too. After school care is also great. People that can pay should. People that can't afford it shouldn't pay. It's better to have free after school care than to have single women on welfare because they can only work till 3pm.

It's time that people realize our children are our future. Pinch your pennies somewhere else.

 

[country lady]

Yes, parents SHOULD be raising their kids, but they aren't! The all-day food program is necessary, again, because many times the mothers or parents aren't responsible adults. I also see the same people line up for free Christmas gifts for the kids when they could pay a couple of dollars a week in a bank Christmas plan. Constantly in line instead of budgeting sends a strong message to kids.

We had a fight break out at an "alternative" high school recently. One mother was interviewed on TV and guess who she blamed--here's a hint: It wasn't her teenage son who was in the thick of the melee. We see it over and over; mothers or parents defending the child's bad behavior. We are a very litigious society now and everybody must walk on eggs (no pun intended).

It is easy to shove responsibility onto others. There are unwed births almost every day in the local newspaper. That is a sure thing for poverty and early failures in life. After-school baby sitting is not about education. Again, bad decisions in life create dependence and kids repeat the cycle. Throwing money at education is NOT solving the problem. My state spends about half of the budget on education--also the lottery.

I'm getting off subject and this was discussed on another thread. I don't want to get this thread closed so I am not posting here anymore.

 

[chickened]

I grew up under spanking in school and was never "beat" by anyone sometimes the fear of spanking is enough. Learning begins with discipline any experienced teacher will tell you that. Some kids need their but beat and some parents need knocked up side the head to realize that, or would you rather wait until they become adults and get "spanked" by the law?

I hardly think omitting "one nation under God" is pushing religion. I think teaching religion should not be in school but punishing a child for saying God or Jesus is about as stupid as it can get, what are they afraid of? Dunkopt you do know that separation of church and state is not in the Constitution? it was in writings by Thomas Jefferson and had nothing to do with schools and God the Constitution says that the Government shall not establish a state religion (singular) schools are free to teach all religions but have chosen not to teach any except pantheism and atheism. God in schools has worked a lot longer than it has not been in schools I believe it started in the mid 70s' what did we do up till then? screw up ? ya right. Someone said put them in private/home schools andthat is exactly what is happening yet some say I should continue supporting the government schools also, is that fair? If I am a lazy parent I would probably like that but I am involved in my kids education and yes I raise hell at the schools when I need to and support them also. We had a principal segregate the minority students one day to an assembly and gave them a speech. The only kids there were hispanics, and blacks, I raised hell about that one.

The government schools are responsible for the kids from the time they get on the bus until they get home. I have no problem with my child being spanked in the appropriate setting. You spank your kids out of love do you not? if your dog goes on the road do you just let it play there? you get after it and teach it by discipline or you chain/fence it in some people go as far as to shock them for a way of discipline, if you truly love your kids you will spank them if it comes to that. (not putting kids and dogs on equal here just trying to illustrate my point.)

 

[chickened]

What I meant about involved pertains more to the idea that if I agree with everything they are doing then they tolerate my being there but when I go against something I am not asked to volunteer anymore...funny eh? Try telling a teacher you do not want them sharing their personal view on a subject see how welcome you are or tell them to discipline the kid with a smart mouth that provokes other kids to anger/violence and see how far you get. We have new anti bullying laws in Oregon and they only take effect when physical contact starts up to then the kids have no punishment for running their mouth provoking others or inciting a riot and if I do that outside the school I get arrested because it is illegal, now how is that preparing my child or others for the world? Bullies are best dealt with by a bigger bully it is a reality they are just there.

I am done here also.
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I'm sorry but this is just not right. Schools want parents involved and usually the more involved the parent is the less they are called because their kids do their work and behave. But yes, we do call parents to come deal with their children because if we do it, we get sued because you don't want us to discipline your child. Corporal punishment and God,, yep, parents got those removed, not the teachers, not the schools.